Men Explain Lolita To Me

Mark Thibodeau jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com
Thu Dec 17 22:01:59 CST 2015


Punishing myself by reading this latest Solnit on men "explaining"
Lolita to her and I've come across what must be the most painfully
awful neologism of an era and a medium that is stuffed to the bursting
with awful neologisms: "privelobliviousness". Sweet Christ what a
mediocre, one-track mind this person has.

J

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 10:00 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> HH wasn't empathetic because he was obsessive. One usurps the other, ergo
> failure. HH failed in scores of other traits for the same root cause. The
> beauty of Lolita is HH's ability to elist our empathy with his obsession.
>
> David Morris
>
>
> On Thursday, December 17, 2015, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Solnit praises Lolita and calls it "that masterpiece of Humbert
>> Humbert’s failure of empathy". Which someone would Arkansas my work
>> that way.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Charles Albert <cfalbert at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > An angry bint with a bludgeon looking to make her bones Arkansasing the
>> > justifiably celebrated work of a dead white guy?
>> >
>> > Don't see that every day.
>> >
>> > If you want a truly stimulating  and exquisitely balanced investigation
>> > of
>> > the same question I recommend Byatt's Possession.
>> >
>> > love,
>> >
>> > cfa
>> >
>> > On Dec 17, 2015 8:59 PM, "John Bailey" <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If you approach pop literary criticism with the same standards you
>> >> expect of Kantian philosophy you may end up with a reasonable amount
>> >> of stomach trouble.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Tommy Pinecone
>> >> <endaflynn345 at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I had originally extended that message to cover that point but then
>> >> > decided
>> >> > to take it away.
>> >> >
>> >> > To show the weight of thought that needs to go behind a conclusion.
>> >> > Kant
>> >> > is
>> >> > astoundingly painstaking, as you likely know. That's why I
>> >> > recommended a
>> >> > short introduction, the excerpts can be shocking to someone not used
>> >> > to
>> >> > it,
>> >> > it is an education you are not likely to find anywhere else apart
>> >> > from
>> >> > first
>> >> > hand in Kant. I could just as easily recommended some of Aristotle's
>> >> > work,
>> >> > but Kant is more illustrative of the point.
>> >> >
>> >> > Wittgenstein's big ideas and posthumous work are constructive in a
>> >> > similar
>> >> > way.
>> >> >
>> >> > On 18 Dec 2015 01:09, "Danny Weltman" <danny.weltman at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What in Kant's first critique do you find helpful for hitting on "a
>> >> >> fast
>> >> >> track way to make someone who is uneducated aware of the blatant
>> >> >> flaws
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> certain ideas and movements that are just unsustainable, and somehow
>> >> >> having
>> >> >> their day the past few years?"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Tommy Pinecone
>> >> >> <endaflynn345 at gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> This is why I make it a deliberate priority not to go on Twitter or
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> follow any new intellectual voices.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Every time it is some unfamiliar, alleged authority voicing a loud
>> >> >>> opinion that's appointed a flashy title; for some reason Twitter is
>> >> >>> frequently mentioned along the way.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I hope the majority of you can see through this pettiness. It's
>> >> >>> unfortunate that we are swamped with the hack work and profound
>> >> >>> blanketed
>> >> >>> hate in modern academia, it is however a fortunate thing that we
>> >> >>> can
>> >> >>> merely
>> >> >>> look away and concentrate on human issues instead of coining new
>> >> >>> derogatory
>> >> >>> terms and stirring up the rabble with a short article.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I often wonder how different these outlooks would be if these
>> >> >>> people
>> >> >>> were
>> >> >>> introduced to literature in a different way, free from ideology and
>> >> >>> identity-that is an unbiased, philosophical way. I make it a hard
>> >> >>> point with
>> >> >>> any aspiring student to start off with a short introduction to
>> >> >>> Kant's
>> >> >>> primary Critique and a short introduction to Wittgenstein's
>> >> >>> thought;
>> >> >>> no
>> >> >>> doubt it is an anomalous approach, but it's a fast track way to
>> >> >>> make
>> >> >>> someone
>> >> >>> who is uneducated aware of the blatant flaws in certain ideas and
>> >> >>> movements
>> >> >>> that are just unsustainable, and somehow having their day the past
>> >> >>> few
>> >> >>> years.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> We shouldn't have to pause to think of these things when there are
>> >> >>> bigger
>> >> >>> issues than female characters not being put in the center of the
>> >> >>> stage. What
>> >> >>> if I wanted to pen an article on how I wasn't happy with the lack
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> empathy
>> >> >>> Beckett shows in all of his works, to individuals of both genders
>> >> >>> no
>> >> >>> less?
>> >> >>> Sure, the circumstances are different here, but not dramatically.
>> >> >>> It's
>> >> >>> simply absurd. I struggle to believe these type of things when I
>> >> >>> see
>> >> >>> them
>> >> >>> being taken so seriously by so many. Makes one feel hopeless,
>> >> >>> especially
>> >> >>> when these are still the early years of the internet and the
>> >> >>> loudest
>> >> >>> voices
>> >> >>> are reaching aspiring students through social media poisoning their
>> >> >>> nascent
>> >> >>> opinions and thoughts.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 17 Dec 2015 20:51, "Matthew Taylor"
>> >> >>> <matthew.taylor923 at gmail.com>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Thoughts on Rebecca Solnit's latest?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> http://lithub.com/men-explain-lolita-to-me/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
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