NP, but a bit of prose poetry...
Kai Frederik Lorentzen
lorentzen at hotmail.de
Fri Dec 18 04:37:00 CST 2015
On 17.12.2015 16:20, Ian Livingston wrote:
> McCarthy writes about Man in the world. I think Suttree is a perfect
> case in point. Man is dispossessed and sterile, his sex is fruitless
> (even with watermelons) and his copulations are with a form of Woman
> who no longer is in the living world. I think the sterility of Man in
> his competitive commitment to violently wresting gratification from an
> unknown, barely guessed-at Other, that Man must hate in his ignorance,
> is representative of all the sex McCarthy needs. Man fucks the world.
> Blood Meridian is, yeah, genius; and, yes, it all comes back to the
> Whale as it is in the postmodern world. There is a wonderful study,
> developed from a diss, I think, evaluating BM in part as a Tarot
> reading. Ah, yes, Notes on Blood Meridian, by John Sepich. Highly
> recommended.
>
> http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3143478-notes-on-blood-meridian
>
https://everywhereleonine.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/on-tarot-in-blood-meridian/
The Tarot reading takes place in chapter VII.
"Bueno, said the juggler. Bueno. He admonished caution with a forefinger
to his thin lips and took the card and held it aloft and turned with it.
The card popped once sharply. He looked at the company seated about the
fire. They were smoking, they were watching. He made a slow sweep before
him with the card outheld. It bore the picture of a fool in harlequin
and a cat. El tonto, he called." (Vintage edition, p. 92)
Like Pynchon, McCarthy seems not so much to believe or invest into Tarot
yet to use its archetypal potential for spicing his novel with
urpictures of experience.
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Mark Sacha <msacha1121 at gmail.com
> <mailto:msacha1121 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> If you're interested in the topic, have the time, and have access
> to a copy (the latter two are big ifs), Vollmann's unabridged
> Rising Up and Rising Down is, I think, the de facto modern text on
> it. It's split up into two major sections - the first is
> analytical/theoretical and the latter is essentially an unedited
> compendium of his journalism, which are included as case studies.
> Only (haha) the first five volumes are really essential to the
> book. Since it's Vollmann we're talking about here, it's really
> thorough, although political in ways people won't always agree
> with and a little inconsistent in tone and quality. But I was
> blown away by it.
>
> I got mine from a library since copies run upward of $1000.
> https://www.worldcat.org/title/rising-up-and-rising-down/oclc/53820538&referer=brief_results
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Perry Noid
> <coolwithdoc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Been curious about Vollman for a bit
>
>
> On Thursday, December 17, 2015, Mark Kohut
> <mark.kohut at gmail.com <mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Now you have Vollman to read. A MAJOR subject, as we know.
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Perry Noid
> <coolwithdoc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am nearing the end of another book on violence, not
> nearly as epic or
> > beautiful as BM but another perspective, psychological
> and discrete. I have
> > read Ballardian landscapes described as "quantal" and I
> think it is perfect
> > description.
> >
> > I think I am organically crafting some imaginary course
> on violence in my
> > head. Started with the Spanish film Tesis by Ameñabar,
> Baader-Meinhoff by
> > Delillo (it's a short story in the New Yorker, not
> necessarily violent but
> > terrorism and trauma) then Blood Meridian and now High
> Rise by Ballard.
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, December 17, 2015, Perry Noid
> <coolwithdoc at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> OMG that is so obvious! And the whole time reading it I
> am constructing
> >> wild theories as to why the man is hairless. Represents
> his supernatural
> >> otherworldliness, a skin suited for a different
> terrain, Yada yada yada
> >> can't believe I didn't consider the freaking whale itself.
> >>
> >> I'm going to have to buy a copy because there is a lot
> I want to go back
> >> to. Got mine from the library
> >>
> >> And Mark that home alone bit is hilarious. Spot on.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, David Morris
> <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm sure it is no accident the Moby Dick is so evoked
> by BM. The Judge
> >>> is the whale.
> >>>
> >>> David Morris
> >>>
> >>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Perry Noid
> <coolwithdoc at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Moby Dick was at the front of my mind throughout.
> Instead of man hunting
> >>>> a whale, and everything that represents, man is
> hunting man. I'm sure u all
> >>>> have dissected this one like an injun scalp but since
> I haven't really
> >>>> discussed it with anyone I'll say this in passing to
> get it out. I think the
> >>>> lack of sex scenes was certainly indicative of
> something because we know sex
> >>>> occurs in the book. And I would like to know what
> anyone thinks of the
> >>>> idiot, his cage and his chain to the judge and why
> the judge rescues him.
> >>>> One of the rare appearances of the fairer sex is when
> he is liberated from
> >>>> his cage. And just a random thought: when reading the
> passage where the
> >>>> judge is walking around with the idiot on the chain
> my mind seemed to conjur
> >>>> Dracula and Renfield. Was wondering what you smarter
> folk took from that
> >>>> whole interaction.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Keith Davis
> <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, page 247.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Perry Noid
> <coolwithdoc at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I just finished reading that for the first time
> last week. Had read
> >>>>>> the Road and No Country, was underwhelmed, and was
> not expecting to be wowed
> >>>>>> like I was with Blood Meridian. I was expecting it
> to be another over
> >>>>>> praised novel that did not meet expectations but it
> far exceeded mine.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That *is* Blood Meridian right?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, Keith Davis
> <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ...They rode on. The horses trudged sullenly the
> alien ground and the
> >>>>>>> round earth rolled beneath them silently milling
> the greater void wherein
> >>>>>>> they were contained. In the neuter austerity of
> that terrain all phenomena
> >>>>>>> were bequeathed a strange equality and no one
> thing nor spider nor stone nor
> >>>>>>> blade of grass could put forth claim to
> precedence. The very clarity of
> >>>>>>> these articles belied their familiarity, for the
> eye predicates the whole on
> >>>>>>> some feature or part and here was nothing more
> luminous than another and
> >>>>>>> nothing more enshadowed and in the optical
> democracy of such landscapes all
> >>>>>>> preference is made whimsical and a man and a rock
> become endowed with
> >>>>>>> unguessed kinship.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm sure some of you will recognize this...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> www.innergroovemusic.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> www.innergroovemusic.com
> >>>>>
> >
>
>
>
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