Austra and the sisters Vroom

[Mark Kohut]

a counterforce counterturn,so to speak.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 5:16 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> I see Austra's attitude as much, much darker.  In a sense I think she is
> like the Herero in GR who have decided on collective suicide.  "Fun"
> doesn't, IMHO, have any place, EXCEPT that she is in a way turning the
> tables on her dominators by embracing their domination.  By that turn she
> removes coercion from the equation.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>
>> I agree it is ghastly what she is forced into. Both slavery and absolute
>> obedience are cancerous. But I am trying to see things from the POV of
>> Austra who seems to have chosen to enjoy as much of her life as she can and
>> has a kind of clarity and breadth of experiience that gives her a certain
>> freedom of spirit. I do not envy her, but am compelled to admire her more
>> than the sisters Vroom who do not seem to know that they are little more
>> than choice cuts in a devil's butcher shop.
>> On Feb 5, 2015, at 9:25 PM, David Morris wrote:
>>
>> > Austra's complete willingness, compliance, with Vroom plans to breed her
>> > like an animal, and to sell off her kennel's premium is ghastly.  That
>> > complete submission and willingness to follow orders puts her into the realm
>> > of monster. She is potential bomb. She has been morally engineered to have
>> > no morals other than submission. Such engineering always has its blind
>> > spot(s).  The Golem, Frankenstein, the Duck, Slothrup, their engineering
>> > might go awry...
>> >
>> > Let's hope so.
>> >
>> > David Morris
>> >
>> > BTW, I love the name Vroom.  The word is what you read in the puff of
>> > exhaust in a cartoon.
>> >
>> > On Thursday, February 5, 2015, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>> > But Mason is not able to be in Rome. He is deeply seated in his own
>> > unresolved inner and outer life which keeps him at a profound  distance from
>> > the world created by the Voc. Even the immediacy and appeal of Austra cannot
>> > bring him to abandon that inner pursuit.  There is something here also
>> > reminiscent of the biblical Sarah and Hagar her servant who she offers to
>> > Abraham. Johanna seems to want to bind Mason to a patriarchal role, but he
>> > is not much attracted to that.
>> >
>> > The sisters Vroom and Johanna are a study in middle class and even
>> > suburban domesticity and privilege. They have financial security and minimal
>> > work responsibilities, but a very small world within which to operate, and
>> > it's defined by the bland tastes and social concerns of Cornelius Vroom.
>> > Their blondeness, (whiteness) and attractiveness are the tools they perceive
>> > realistically as key to social status. Tey serve as an advertisement for a
>> > life that is boring them to death.They are as colonized and in some ways
>> > more so than Austra who has access to the full range of music, food, sexual
>> > pleasure and conversation denied the sisters.  They may not even know how
>> > they are being used  regarding Austra since Johann seems to be the master
>> > manipulator there.
>> >
>> > On Feb 5, 2015, at 7:34 PM, Mark Kohut wrote:
>> >
>> > > Well-Chosen Quotes from GR and:
>> > >
>> > > "This is how it's done here - the heady mixture of sex, commerce and
>> > > power - sanctified in a way that brothels clearly aren't, can never
>> > > be. The link between master and slave is sex-slave, Austra's telling
>> > > him. When in Rome ...
>> > >
>> > > And with this sex-slave-power-commerce trip going on in a sea-port
>> > > populated by rowdy sailors, how can it not affect even the wives and
>> > > daughters?"
>> > >
>> > > Laura
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > This is a well-said, as usual, way I would read it too...to me most of
>> > > the scenes in M & D are very like many of the scenes in GR....that
>> > > irreal, idea-containing ahistorical novel.
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