M & D Duck Read: still thinking on Mason.

[Keith Davis]

No wonder he is so fixated on death.

On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 11:47 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>
wrote:

>  Mason is a Verger, and his duties, like the Sexton's may include the
> management of the graveyard, but the conflict that P is emphasizing
> here is between Imagination & Insanity and Reason & Science.
>
> Very big topic of the day.
>
>
>
> Enlightenment Crossings: Pre- And Post-Modern Discourses :
> Anthropological Hardcover – September, 1991
> by G. S. Rousseau
>
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:42 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Eliade's understanding of religion centers on his concept of
> > hierophany (manifestation of the Sacred)--a concept that includes, but
> > is not limited to, the older and more restrictive concept of theophany
> > (manifestation of a god).[87] From the perspective of religious
> > thought, Eliade argues, hierophanies give structure and orientation to
> > the world, establishing a sacred order. The "profane" space of
> > nonreligious experience can only be divided up geometrically: it has
> > no "qualitative differentiation and, hence, no orientation [is] given
> > by virtue of its inherent structure".[88] Thus, profane space gives
> > man no pattern for his behavior.
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Praxis Conference @PraxisHouston
> >> A Catholic, a Pentecostal, and an Anglican walk into a bar....
> >>
> >> It has occurred to me that Pynchon does not end the joke in M & D
> because
> >> it hasn't ended yet....
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> I say one major level that Pynchon lays down is that Mason IS
> >>> a Puritan, a Protestant caught in Protestant Religion deeply...he
> >>> is so Puritanical he is half in love with Death, all in love with
> >>> a 2-year dead woman; Why is this emphasized so much by Pynchon?
> >>> Because Protestantism in the Spirit of Capitalism is a death wish.
> >>>
> >>>   Puritans don't fuck---except for baby-making;
> >>> Puritans are Fundamentalists, THAT deep tradition; America's
> >>> Puritanism descends from them.....
> >>>
> >>> And THAT is one major thematic meaning of Mason & Dixon, I say...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 6:34 PM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> Not Puritan but typical of his sect at the time, Academic and
> >>>> Pragmatic. Though Mason exhibits what was considered a dangerous
> >>>> enthusiasm, he tempers it, though it haunts him, causing him, at times
> >>>> to Quake. So our boys are entwined, both Pragmatic Mystics, one by
> >>>> choice, that is Dixon, the other by haunt and wind and history.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>> Is "Puritanism" the word you want?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Overdetermined, that Freudian concept. Why does Pynchon stress
> Mason's
> >>>>>> grief so hard? Why is his Puritanism as defining repeated? Does over
> >>>>>> determinism apply?,
> >>>>>> I think it might....so, taking my cue from TRP on tendril, I
> >>>>>> looked it up to see if I understood it and learned this,
> >>>>>> over determinedly as well, along with Freud's notion.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The New Critic I. A. Richards used the idea of overdetermination in
> >>>>>> order to explain the importance of ambiguity in rhetoric, the
> >>>>>> philosophy of language, and literary criticism.
> >>>>>> -
> >>>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> -
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