M&D - Chap 10 - pgs 96-97

[Mark Kohut]

i think there is a (limited) omniscient narrator too....but where in
the last few chapters
is It vs. Cherrycoke?.......

You rhetorically answered me with "would Cherrycoke talk that way--sex
stuff--in front  of his audience?" yet,
the Rev is EXPLICITLY the narrator of some of the most risqué stuff......

For these interactive exchanges I am still reading, as someone else
said here, as if Cherrycoke
is the elided narrator of these scenes......for me, TRP set him up as
the storyteller..of M & D's adventures.
He created the vision of 1) a now-faithless minister--lotsa resonances
  2) that he is retelling in stereotypes,
as unreliable tales.....

I see the limitedly omniscient narrator as the one who puts in the
letters, describes the sea voyage, say,--as
Becky so astutely observed w her camera eye---
AROUND M & D.....to me he is (mostly) P's major way of transcribing
his authorial vision...sea meanings, Moby D
allusions, etc.....

Otherwise the "omniscient narrator" has no way to contain all the ironies.....


On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:32 AM, jochen stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>And now back to Mason and Dixon at the Cape - where Cherrycoke is back to
>> being our ** unreliable yet omniscient narrator**  again - (sounds like an
>> oxymoron but it certainly works) -<
>
> As I said before, I don't think they are one and the same: There is the
> omniscient narrator who tells us about Cherrycoke who is the narrator with
> his limited point of view, who says "I" sometimes, as reliable as you and
> me, who is kicked out of the house if he don't behave.
>
> 2015-02-16 16:16 GMT+01:00 Becky Lindroos <bekker2 at icloud.com>:
>>
>> Moving along -
>>
>> ***  p. 96 -  "A Vector of Desire" -   Lacan -
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_of_desire
>>
>> http://pmc.iath.virginia.edu/issue.903/14.1burns.html  (I'm sure this has
>> been posted prior -  it's
>> "Postmodern Historiography: Politics and the Parallactic Method in Thomas
>> Pynchon's Mason & Dixon" by Christy L. Burns )
>>
>> "Celestial Trigonometry"?
>> Are we mapping the skies?  Putting the solar system on a grid? Is that why
>> Pynchon "started at the beginning?"
>>
>> *
>> "Somebody somewhere in the world, watching the Planet go dark against the
>> Sun ... (quotes) from Sappho's Fragment 95...":
>> "Oh Hesperus, - you bring back all that the dark night scatter'd, - you
>> bring in the sheep, and the goat, - you bring the Child back to her mother."
>> (Pynchon uses the H. T. Wharton translation):
>> http://classicpersuasion.org/pw/sappho/sape08u.htm
>>
>> So what's Pynchon's reasoning in having "someone" misread/misinterpret the
>> Hesperus,  the *evening Venus*  as the Transit Venus of the morning?
>> Showing the idea of misreading?  Misinterpreting?
>>
>> Just prior to that quote there is the line that says this misread
>> interruption is  "...seeming to wreck the *Ob,*" - the "Ob"? -   Observation,
>> of course, but which one?  1.  It could be the observation of the Transit
>> itself (perhaps as displayed in the orrery)  or 2.  it could be Cherrycoke's
>> observation about it with "Vector of Desire" and all being so appropriate.
>> - The question is - are our #1 type  observations also misinterpretations?
>> What does that do to history and/or events?
>>
>> **
>> "A sort of long black Filament yet connects her to the Limb of the Sun,
>> tho' she be moved will onto its Face..."  "This, or odd behavior like it, is
>> going on all over the World all day long that fifth and sixth of June..."
>>
>> "... as if the Creation's Dark Engineer had purposedly arrang'd the
>> Intervals thus, to provoke a certain Instruction, upon the limits to human
>> grandeur by Mortality."
>>
>> Satan?  Death?  This is the first of the pair of Transits - 1761 and 1769
>> - then not again until 1874 and 1882 followed by 2004 and 2012 and then not
>> again until 2117 / 2125.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Venus#History_of_observation
>>
>> **
>> And now back to Mason and Dixon at the Cape - where Cherrycoke is back to
>> being our ** unreliable yet omniscient narrator**  again - (sounds like an
>> oxymoron but it certainly works) -
>>
>> **
>> Extra credit resource:
>>
>> Mason and Dixon at the Cape - 4 pages -
>> Title: Mason and Dixon at the Cape
>> Authors: MacKenzie, T.
>> Journal: Monthly Notes of the Astronomical Society of South Africa, Vol.
>> 10, p. 99
>>
>> http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1951MNSSA..10...99M/0000099.000.html
>> The  clocks and observatory are mentioned on page 100 but also see page 99
>> - they're all kind of interesting.
>>
>> **************
>>
>> p. 97 -
>>
>> The Zeeman and Vroom households "speed about" getting ready for the
>> Transit - the morning is foggy.  This is likely the case as per the
>> "Journal's Monthly Notes"  noted above - p. 99. (So no metaphor is
>> necessarily intended, but the possibility should not be excluded.)
>>
>> "Dutch Ado about nothing."   -  groan - lol -   The slaves seem somewhat
>> amused by the behavior of "their owners."
>>
>> ****************
>>
>> Please add, subtract, argue, define, categorize, compare, contrast,
>> delineate, deconstruct, verify,  obfuscate, clarify, etc. as you will -
>>
>> Becky -
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