only Plisters (and a few others)
Dave Monroe
against.the.dave at gmail.com
Thu Feb 26 21:09:37 CST 2015
https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/james-blake/the-joint/
"... James Blake, who corresponded with Nelson Algren and James Purdy
during a prison term for burglary, elicited a long adulatory review
for 'The Joint' from William Styron, who compared the plight of
present-day prisoners to that of slaves in the prewar South."
http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/05/10/specials/mailer-abbot.html
See also "cheese eater":
https://books.google.com/books?id=neVBmSyNRnEC&pg=PA185#v=onepage&q&f=false
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> Monte, who forgets almost nothing, reminds of Pynchon's use. Thanks
> more than much.
> Which led me on a quest today.
>
> But first, the in-print standards might have been different for the
> NYTimes magazine, a leading edge
> mag compared to the daily paper and my post was not because of any
> special knowledge of mine about its standards
> but of two writers online who seemed to know its use in the book
> review was ..unusual knowing its standards some. Or they thought it
> was unusual anyway.
>
> So I went to the OED. It turns out the earliest in-print use they have
> is very late 1955, Dec 28, to be exact in a book called
> JOINT by one J. Blake which was published in 1971. (I cannot explain a
> 55 use in a 71 book except that it must have
> been citing another book...the OED uses written uses only but does
> note as the 1956 entries indicate
>
> that the word is a slang use in a folk tradition...with another entry
> saying Philadelphia Negro street slang.....
>
> A Marine pick-up use a bit later connotes tough guy...with negative
> connotations in the beginning..then positive.
>
> However, most interesting maybe is that when one puts the word into
> the Google N--Gram tracing of
> the use in ALL THE BOOKS Google has digitized, one finds some usage
> above the zero back in the 1820s, and
> a very slight rise again in the 1840s......
>
> Must be the (black?) folk use in the very oldest books.....
>
> Today's language self-education
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Badass" made it past the NYT copy desk in TRP's "Luddite" essay... thirty
>> years ago last fall :-)
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> would like this tidbit (maybe).
>>>
>>> The word 'badass', which I was surprised to
>>> hear on TV recently---Rachel's Show---has
>>> now made it past the NYT copy desk in a review.
>>>
>>> Badass news.
>>> -
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>>
>>
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