We were all right....Mason & Dixon

Tue Jul 21 02:51:40 CDT 2015

As mine was the last chapters before the big silence I felt it was my fault people lost interest in the group read - I simply wasn't up to par. When the ensuing Norwegian Angst kicked in I had to put M&D down to lick wounds lol. 
You were brilliant though! Enjoyed myself throughout in your company. So happy and chuffed to have found the p-list.

I'd be well up for a group watch of IV. A live stream with a chat function would be great!

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Elisabeth 

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> 21. jul. 2015 kl. 09.36 skrev Kai Frederik Lorentzen <lorentzen at hotmail.de>:
> 
> 
>> Seriously, why isn't someone selling our data
> here? We're nothing! <
> 
> "We are ugly but we have the music" (Leonard Cohen)
> 
> I do not want our data to be sold.
> 
> And I don't want to be 'someone' in terms of the digital economy.
> 
> Group reads are overrated. You don't need them to post something substantial on Pynchon. The most interesting threads are those evolving spontaneously.
> 
> And it's always "Now!" and you can start from where you are ...
> 
> On 21.07.2015 01:04, John Bailey wrote:
>> There were lots of successful group reads in the past.
>> 
>> I blame the changing culture of the internet. Back then there just
>> wasn't that much to do online, so more people could spend an hour or
>> three with a book and a browser and a leisurely mind.
>> 
>> Of course I'm romanticising but in the global shopping mall that the
>> Deep Archer and most of the web has become, the P-List is a rag and
>> bone shop. If we had more funny quizzes, lists like the Six Most
>> Amazing Ways Pynchon Will Improve Your Sex Life, ways to tag each
>> other in emails, ability to autogenerate our favourite P characters as
>> avatars, some kind of dedicated app, a gamified reward system that
>> gave us badges for posting more, a font of our own, a Game of Thrones
>> crossover week, a photo feed and sold advertising space that can be
>> blocked so users think that the real product isn't our data, maybe
>> we'd have a chance? Seriously, why isn't someone selling our data
>> here? We're nothing!
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Dave Monroe <against.the.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I blame myself.  I was simply in no condition to participate on a
>>> regular basis @ the time.
>>> 
>>> Meanwhile, some day, the Inherent Vice group watch?
>>> 
>>> http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wbmovies/awards2014/pdf/iv.pdf
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> When enough are not newly reading and responding, the silence is loud.
>>>> And one needs to be following the bouncing ball
>>>> when one posts who is, otherwise it is not new.
>>>> 
>>>> Too many too busy or otherwise out of the Group Read. Life in late
>>>> capitalism ain't easy.
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 2:34 PM, David Ewers <dsewers at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> I believe you're on to something with why the group read fizzled, Mark T.,
>>>>> although I think we had it going pretty good for a while there.  I'm not
>>>>> sure it's impossible to maintain that managed flow-through you describe, but
>>>>> (speaking for myself) it does seem to require some obsessing to do the
>>>>> discussion justice.  It's tough to be obsessed for several months straight.
>>>>> Maybe we should have built some time-outs into the schedule?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Out of curiosity, is anyone still giving M-&D- the deep reading treatment?
>>>>> If so, where are you?
>>>>> I've slowed down a lot in my M-&D- reading, lightened up some, picked up
>>>>> other books, etc., but I've got notes up to chapter 35.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope everyone (in the Northern Hemisphere...) is having a bitchin' summer!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 11:44 AM have a nice day, violet wrote this message:),
>>>>> Mark Thibodeau wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think the reason why group reads of Pynchon tend to break down (and I say
>>>>> this with a guilty conscience at my own part in the unraveling of the last
>>>>> M&D group read attempt) is that his work is SO RICH and full of constant,
>>>>> almost fractal levels of allusion and multi-contextual referencing (moreso
>>>>> perhaps than any writer aside from Joyce) that trying to maintain some kind
>>>>> of managed flow-through is literally impossible to do.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any reader takes from a work of art only that which he or she is capable of
>>>>> taking. We all bring our own personal contexts into some kind of
>>>>> intermeshing with the context of the work that we're approaching. Someone
>>>>> steeped in pre-Revolutionary American history will have a different reading
>>>>> experience from someone who knows a lot about, say, the history of science.
>>>>> Both will find it a masterwork, but for different reasons.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For that reason, I think Pynchon slots in with those writers who are both
>>>>> difficult AND rewarding.
>>>>> 
>>>>> MT
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Misc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> just read an interesting essay by Stanley Greenblatt, Shakespeare and
>>>>>> Beyond
>>>>>> Scholar---this essay is on Milton, however---that applies to many a great
>>>>>> writer
>>>>>> including our writer from Long Island.......
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thesis: The depth of full scholarship analysis of such as Milton, say
>>>>>> another
>>>>>> long book on all the subtleties and breadth and depth of his politics
>>>>>> explored thru
>>>>>> his major poems......tends to kill why he is great.....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The poetry on the page.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Discuss.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> is an incredible book....
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Throw out more stuff about....
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