Brilliantly, sadly observed

David Morris fqmorris at gmail.com
Wed Nov 25 16:23:43 CST 2015


What does ISIS want?
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Read it.

ISIS is a tick, small. It isn't a long-term threat.  Whasabism, Saudi cash,
is the real threat.

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mark.kohut at gmail.com');>> wrote:

> Is ISIS an existential global threat, in your mind. And what is to be
> done if it is?
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> > Calling people knuckle draggers may have some accuracy and offer some
> comic release, but are our problems really coming from the semi-literate?
> Is  the US Military and our campaigns of mass obliteration and drone
> warfare in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now Isis controlled regions the
> product of semi-literacy or even the Republicans? The votes and financing
> came from both parties, many lawyers, many newspeople. My feeling is that
> Trump is just like Netanyahu, a shrewd public power broker who knows fear
> and war are the ultimate political drug, and voices openly the xenopobic
> hate mongering that produced the blowback.
> >   Many educated people are as addicted to denial and military violence
> and the racism of neglect as the more obviously ignorant followers of Trump
> and Cruz.. The Paris attacks have produced an ugly willingness to keep
> bombing regardless of how man regional civilians die, and that willingness
> goes across the political spectrum.
> >
> >> On Nov 24, 2015, at 8:09 PM, David Kilroy <thesaintgodard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> "It's clear now that the Paris attacks enormously energized the
> Trumpist movement. He's now speculating openly about invading Syria.
> Trump's proposals have gone from overt prejudice to things literally taken
> out of late Weimar history — closure of mosques and a national Muslim
> database. The rank-and-file have both fed off and stoked this behavior.
> When a lone protester started chanting "black lives matter" at a Trump
> rally, Trumpists jumped him (he was luckily not badly injured). Trump later
> said, "Maybe he should have been roughed up." Hours later he lied about
> witnessing Muslim crowds celebrating 9/11, and retweeted nonsense racist
> garbage from a literal neo-Nazi."
> >>
> >>
> http://theweek.com/articles/590497/donald-trumps-alarming-skid-toward-outright-fascism
> >>
> >> After decades of being allowed to stockpile arms with increasingly
> little federal interference, a general escalation in the violent rhetoric
> of the right, and shrill sponsorship from the NRA, semiliterate
> knuckle-draggers are only too eager to start a race / "religious" war in
> the U.S., and the candidates, allowed to start their noisome campaigns two
> years in advance of an actual election, are only egging them on.
> >>
> >> I live in a state where black churches were burned, in a city with
> clear color lines.  I'm not afraid of black people.  I'm afraid of
> shitheads teething for glory.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 7:37 PM, David Kilroy <thesaintgodard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Apologies for harping on this point.  Know that I do.  But it frankly
> terrifies me.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 7:17 PM, David Kilroy <thesaintgodard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> (shades of Lot 49, too: recall the swastika armbands)
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 7:16 PM, David Kilroy <thesaintgodard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> The tech sector's too "What, me worry?" about the problem.
> >>
> >> Anonymity in comments threads, Craigslist, 4chan, Reddit et al permit
> open promulgation of hate speech.  Most sites, when confronted about the
> problem, cite free speech as a concern when the fact is they don't want to
> face the added hassle of verifying accounts and making people responsible
> for their words.
> >>
> >> There's a massive network of these shitheads armed for a race riot and
> no-one seems to want to stop them.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Steven Koteff <steviekoteff at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Thanks a lot for this, Mark. Reading it now, and I agree with you. Very
> smart and sadder for it.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Charlie Pierce on the Powder Keg that is the United States of America
> >> right now
> http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39987/america-race-powderkeg/
> >> …
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