Re: What Do We Really Know About Osama bin Laden’s Death?

[rich]

I still think much of what is concerning is how the torture effect was spun
to look a lot more favorable, in movies, hearings, etc. If anything, Zero
Dark Thirty should never be shown again. I wouldnt put it up there with Jud
Suss but it's pretty close.
With that siad, I didnt find much of Hersh's report all that mind-blowing.
The admin used Bin Laden's killing for political purposes. My god, OBL
wasnt armed, he didnt get a proper burial. Really? who cares. the fucker's
deserved a worse death than that.
Was the raid staged and Pakistan knew all about it? dont think we'll ever
get to the bottom of that one. Knowing the strained relations between the
US and Pakistan I do find it a tough sell to claim that the Pakistanis
would willingly make them selves look like bozos for the whole world to
laugh at.
There's much to be suspicious about. I think we need to focus on the right
ones
rich



On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Thomas Eckhardt <
thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:

> Thanks, Dave. A balanced article which -- surprisingly, as it is the NYT
> -- does not feed into the new and rather transparent "Seymour Hersh has
> lost it" narrative (roughly: past achievements are acknowledged, but now he
> is old and has forgotten to take his meds). Hersh's pieces for the London
> Review of Books are very important. Which is not to say that his version of
> the events in question is accurate (how would I know?), just that they
> should be taken into account.
>
> http://www.lrb.co.uk/contributors/seymour-m-hersh
>
>
> Am 17.10.2015 um 06:05 schrieb Dave Monroe:
>
>> "It’s not that the truth about bin Laden’s death is unknowable; it’s
>> that we don’t know it. And we can’t necessarily console ourselves with
>> the hope that we will have more answers any time soon; to this day,
>> the final volume of the C.I.A.’s official history of the Bay of Pigs
>> remains classified. We don’t know what happened more than a
>> half-century ago, much less in 2011.
>>
>> "There are different ways to control a narrative. There’s the
>> old-fashioned way: Classify documents that you don’t want seen and, as
>> Gates said, 'keep mum on the details.’' But there’s also the more
>> modern, social-media-savvy approach: Tell the story you want them to
>> believe. Silence is one way to keep a secret. Talking is another. And
>> they are not mutually exclusive."
>>
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/18/magazine/what-do-we-really-know-about-osama-bin-ladens-death.html
>>
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