Re: What Do We Really Know About Osama bin Laden’s Death?

[Keith Davis]

I don't buy the whole we killed OBL story.


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> On Oct 22, 2015, at 10:32 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Does the Guardian writer have any basis for suggesting that the administration--Obama--preemptively disregarded the possibility of capturing Osama Bin Laden? most seem to think
> It was ' capture him, of course, if it is easy,  but don't try too hard" kind of tacit mandate. do we KNOW differently now? 
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>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 3:13 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com> <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
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>> This thread started with a self-examination by the NY Times about its own reporting on the OBL capture/kill. Anyone care to parse through today's story, about the US sale of fighter jets to Pakistan as an apparent good-will sop to heal the flagging relationship of the US and Pakistan?
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>> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/22/world/asia/white-house-set-to-sell-new-fighter-jets-to-pakistan-in-bid-to-bolster-partnership.html?_r=0
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>> Aside from the fact that the story doesn't explain what a US "sale" actually means (selling from our own military arsenal, with proceeds to go to the US government? Approving US companies to make the sale, with proceeds going into private coffers?), the oddball explanation given is that, although Pakistan has plenty of fighter-jets, many supplied by France and China, it hasn't been using them to support US interests - fighting ISIS, in particular. The most curious reason the article cites for the sale is that it's meant as some sort of US-supplied methadone (my metaphor, not the article's) to lure Pakistan away from the heady heroin rush of its ever-expanding nuclear arsenal, currently aimed at India. The tactics the article describes are outrageous on many levels (the US, after all its blustering and positioning in the area having zero leverage on Pakistan or any other government, including its own puppet governments, the idea that the best way to assure that Pakistan's weapons don't fall into the hands of terrorists/extremists is to supply Pakistan with more weapons, the willingness to overlook Pakistan's support of the Taliban in exchange for some action on ISIS, the lack of references to Syria, Iran et al).
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>> Laura
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>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Thomas Eckhardt <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
>>> Sent: Oct 22, 2015 4:09 AM
>>> To: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Dave Monroe <against.the.dave at gmail.com>, pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>> Subject: Re: What Do We Really Know About Osama bin Laden’s Death?
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>>>> Am 19.10.2015 um 17:17 schrieb rich:
>>>> My god, OBL wasnt armed, he didnt get a proper burial. Really? who
>>>> cares. the fucker's deserved a worse death than that.
>>> 
>>> You mean like Gaddafi? "We came, we saw, he died"?
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>>> Osama Bin Laden should have been tried in a court of law.
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>>> This is what civilized nations do. The Israelis didn't shoot Eichmann on 
>>> the spot. And for good reason.
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>>> Besides, it would have been more effective from a counterterrorism POV:
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>>> "By choosing to execute the al-Qaida leader the US has denied justice to 
>>> the victims of 9/11 and perpetuated the 'war on terror'"
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>>> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/may/03/osama-bin-laden-trial-al-qaida
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