SHAKESPEARE on Pugnax. RRRRuff

[Mark Kohut]

Just in case you are too new to the list to remember my NP post--or didn't read it--about Shakey and the sonnets, what a recent rereading w full Arden annotation showed me, is that when the genius who was Shakescene wrote those "plain"--compared to so-allusive plays--sonnets, his kind of organic oneness with his English, shows rooted connections like that GR web that only God might know the meshes of. He didn't self-pattern all those connections, most just were because he could feel the language. 
Can/did P? 

Hey, whoever you might be, post more. 

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On Apr 17, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Kamil Prusakowski <kukujus at gmail.com> wrote:

> That's the biggest overinterpretation I've seen in my life 
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> 2016-04-17 14:58 GMT+02:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
>> I have the same doubts, Ish, felt they might be overselling,  perhaps acting as if such nuance when publicizing would get their work inspiring new productions nowhere. I would think in their published work, they would deal with what you say.
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>> > On Apr 17, 2016, at 7:42 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > Thanks, Mark. Listened. Not sure if I agree entirely. The exact rhyme
>> > argument doesn't convince me. There is no reason why the last words of
>> > the famous couplet cited,   Loved and Proved,  must be read as an
>> > exact or perfect or true rhyme. The words do rhyme and Shakespeare and
>> > others of the period and those on his heels, like Milton, use slant,
>> > half, eye, etc...rhyme ....wind is coupled with kind.
>> >
>> > The players were, like Shakespeare, more working class than members of
>> > the court, though how they played the kings and queens and princes,
>> > gravediggers and bellows menders, even with the linguistic commentary
>> > and reviews, is still very difficult to determine. Still, I applaud
>> > the thesis and its implications for the teaching of the Bard.
>> >
>> > http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/04/21/how-shakespeare-lives-now/
>> >
>> >> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I just heard David and Ben Crystal on that  show that Kurt Anderson syndicates
>> >> Thru NPR. The Crystals are a linguist, or maybe both, dunno, and shakespeare scholars who have been bringing to light the original pronunciation of Shakespeare--and getting plays produced that way, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Well, one of the them said, in OP ( Original Pronunciation) , many words sound closer to their meaning. Take ' war'....it isn't Dogs of war, soft, or waar, so to speak....it is Dogs of WARR (growled) RR, so to speak...
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>> >> That Pynchon...giving Pugnax those hard RRRs....
>> >>
>> >> This was/is great radio, a great piece.
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