(np) Creepiness and BtZ42

[Mark Kohut]

Does this describe most of P's "emptiness"? Mostly lost his soul, per general text, to the war? A branch office of THE FIRM, which also uses his talent for taking over others' fantasies? But nice guy enough to save Bloat a world of hurt, what he feels reluctant---why? Why? ---to call decent a part of himself that wishes pure agapaic good hopes for Roger & Jessica. .....so, as Joseph sez, he is very aware of a huge indecent part of himself?



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On Apr 18, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> There is  irony here too. Pirate sees the pornographic creepiness he himself will not relinquish, where we know that RM will later see the bigger picture and rebel. To me this is describing the seductive come-on of empire, of being on the inside, having access to secrets. RM thought he had been seduced and married to the war until J S. We are about to move into their world.
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>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 6:49 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> To lasso this back into our Group Read, isn't it kind of " creepy" the way Roger Mexico's enthusiasm for the spying films grows? Like " witnessing an addiction", like a "pornography customer's reflex"--cf Creepiness below--, Pynchon sez.....and Pirate sez it looks like shame. 
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>> Pynchon shows a creepy " probably to do with the Americans" world of shameful spying run by Behaviorists and Pavlovians, those supposed scientists pinning us like butterflies. 
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>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 5:15 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen <lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:
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>>>> ... However, one-sample t-tests revealed that only four occupations were judged to be significantly higher than the neutral value of "3" on the creepiness rating scale: Clowns (...), Taxidermists (...), Sex Shop Owners (...), and Funeral Directors (...). Therefore, it appears that occupations associated with death (taxidermy and funeral directors) or reflective of a fascination with sex (sex shop owners) are perceived as creepy; clowns were the creepiest of all.  (...) Just for fun, we asked our participants to list two hobbies they considered as creepy. Easily, the most frequently mentioned creepy hobbies involved collecting things (listed by 341 of our participants). Collecting dolls, insects, reptiles, or body parts like teeth, bones, or fingernails was considered especially creepy. The second most frequently mentioned hobby (listed by 108 participants) involved some variation of "watching". (...) Everything that we found in this study is consistent with the notion that the perception of creepiness is a response to the ambiguity of threat. Males are more physically threatening to people of both sexes than are females (McAndrew 2009), and they were more likely to be perceived as creepy by males and females alike. (...) It might also have been enlightening to ask individuals to rate themselves on creepiness ... <
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>>> Jünger and Nabokov were collecting insects, 
>>> Bowie - in the 1970s - his fingernails.
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>>> But what about the book collectors like you and me?
>>> All sane and decidedly non-creepy ...
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>>> Francis T. McAndrew and Sara S. Koehnke:
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>>> (On the Nature of) CREEPINESS 
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>>> http://www.academia.edu/2465121/Creepiness
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