GR translation: The physical grace to keep it working

[David Morris]

Nope.  Dumbo was always able to fly without the feather.  The feather was a
vehicle for him to BELIEVE he could fly.  Eventually he could BELIEVE (and
thus fly) without the feather.

David Morris

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 5:01 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> I do not know how it might matter for translation but I think the
> estimable MOrris is wrong by about 180 degrees here. I think the word
> physical before grace signals a non-religious meaning--unlike most of TRP's
> uses of the word " grace".
>
> I think it means an athletic like coordination. See the move to Dumbo
> flying in he text.
>
> One definition from a Google Books search is graciousness ( in movement).
> In another book, The Letters of FS Fitzgerald, he uses the phrase in a
> letter to a ( young) woman who he thinks has bad posture and also  can't
> dance well. another cited usage comes from a book on Goethe and his
> culture, from a Schiller essay evidently.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 22, 2016, at 4:10 AM, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Understood.  Thanks, Robert and David.
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 3:15 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is a really big and deep topic, but let's keep it as simple as we
>> can with this passage of GR.
>>
>> I think the usage of "grace" here is most related to the religious
>> definition: "unmerited divine assistance given humans."  Adding "physical"
>> makes it something manifested into the world, not merely an internal
>> condition.  And in this context it implies becoming, physically manifesting
>> as, an agent (angel? prophet?) of God, even unwittingly so:  "A-and it
>> doesn’t even matter why we’re doing this, either. Rocky? Yeah, what we need
>> isn’t right reasons, but just that grace."
>>
>> David Morris
>>
>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/grace
>>
>> Full Definition of grace
>>
>> 1a :  unmerited divine assistance given humans for their regeneration or
>> sanctification.   b: a virtue coming from God.  c: a state of
>> sanctification enjoyed through divine grace.
>>
>> 2a :  approval, favor <stayed in his goodgraces>b archaic :  mercy,
>> pardonc :  a special favor :  privilege <each in his place, by right, not
>> grace, shall rule his heritage — Rudyard Kipling>d :  disposition to or an
>> act or instance of kindness, courtesy, or clemencye :  a temporary
>> exemption :  reprieve
>>
>> 3a :  a charming or attractive trait or characteristicb :  a pleasing
>> appearance or effect : charm <all the grace of youth — John Buchan>c :
>>  ease and suppleness of movement or bearing
>>
>> 4—used as a title of address or reference for a duke, a duchess, or an
>> archbishop
>>
>> 5:  a short prayer at a meal asking a blessing or giving thanks
>>
>> 6plural capitalized :  three sister goddesses in Greek mythology who are
>> the givers of charm and beauty
>>
>> 7:  a musical trill, turn, or appoggiatura
>>
>> 8a :  sense of propriety or right <had the grace not to run for elective
>> office — Calvin Trillin>b :  the quality or state of being considerate or
>> thoughtful
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Physical" is not a word you would ordinarily see before "grace," and I
>>> think the juxtaposition doesn't change the latter so much as to try to make
>>> it more concrete, real.  Not sure the meaning would change much at all if
>>> "physical" were simply omitted.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 3:33 AM, Mike Jing <
>>> gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> V741.27-34, P756.13-20   He went out socked Them right in the toilet
>>>> privacy of Their banks. Who cares what he was thinking about, long as it
>>>> didn’t get in the way? A-and it doesn’t even matter why we’re doing this,
>>>> either. Rocky? Yeah, what we need isn’t right reasons, but just that grace.
>>>> The physical grace to keep it working. Courage, brains, sure, O.K., but
>>>> without that grace? forget it Do you—please, are you listening? This thing
>>>> here works. Really does. It worked for me, but I’m out of the Dumbo stage
>>>> now, I can fly without it. But you. Rocky. You . . . .”
>>>>
>>>> What does "physical grace" refer to here?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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