BtZ42, Vp.41 (the real thing)

David Morris fqmorris at gmail.com
Sun Apr 24 20:12:29 CDT 2016


OK, not THAT desolate.  But the restriction is what they are defying.  The
reason (propaganda) for the restriction might be invalid, but their
defiance and choice to fuck in an uncomfortable danger-zone still stands.
Do you think that is just to make their sex more "dirty?"  Defiance of
propaganda is maybe inherently sexy?

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not a bombed-out wasteland, just an available house in an evacuated small
> town.  I agree the cold and isolation probably has more to do with P's need
> for thematic scene-setting than actual inability to find any other nest for
> a dirty weekend.
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:42 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Their present "taking on" of propaganda consists of violating rules/laws
>> in order to have their own "zone," a space for their love.  Why must that
>> space be in a cold bombed-out wasteland (why not in a more comfy place?)?
>> I think that is a better question.  It almost seems as if they are offering
>> the War the example of their fucking and loving in the heart of its
>> devastation as a talisman of literal fucking against its power.
>>
>> David Morris
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Good question. I assumed the “more” was about risk to personal safety,
>>> that the town is evacuated because it is a target, and/or  damaged and
>>> without the safeguards of a well maintained infrastructure: gas, water,
>>> police???
>>>
>>> > On Apr 24, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > [Please excuse the previous version, sent prematurely]
>>> >
>>> > Roger & Jessica's life in the evacuated town "is marginal, hungry,
>>> chilly—most times they’re too paranoid to risk a fire— but it’s something
>>> they want to keep, so much that to keep it they will take on more than
>>> propaganda has ever asked them for."
>>> >
>>> > What propaganda "asks them for" is outlined a paragraph earlier: "it’s
>>> better to-gether, snuggled in, than back out in the paper, fires, khaki,
>>> steel of the Home Front. That, indeed, the Home Front is something of a
>>> fiction and lie, designed, not too subtly, to draw them apart, to subvert
>>> love in favor of work, abstraction, required pain, bitter death."
>>> >
>>> > Restated later, p. 177: "Damned Beaver/Jeremy *is* the War, he is
>>> every assertion the fucking War has ever made—that we are meant for work
>>> and government, for austerity: and these shall take priority over love,
>>> dreams, the spirit, the senses and the other second-class trivia that are
>>> found among the idle and mindless hours of the day . . "
>>> >
>>> > Question: what exactly is the "more" that R&J will take on to keep
>>> what they have? What do they do to themselves that is somehow *like* and
>>> *beyond* what the collective psychosis of "total war" is demanding?
>>>
>>> -
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>>>
>>
>>
>
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