pynchon-l-digest V2 #13155
Jamie Anderson
jamiek.anderson at gmail.com
Fri Dec 16 10:12:56 CST 2016
Looking forward to reading that blog on the dark net...
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> The internet is as human and as murderous as 'the real world' which it also
> is.
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> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 1:54 AM, Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > Or what has it taught you?
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> <div dir=3D"ltr">The internet is as human and as murderous as 'the
> real=
> world' which it also is.=C2=A0</div><div
> class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><di=
> v class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 1:54 AM, Lemuel Underwing
> <=
> span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:luunderwing at gmail.com"
> target=3D"_bl=
> ank">luunderwing at gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote
> class=3D"gm=
> ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
> solid;padding-le=
> ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Or what has it taught you?</div>
> </blockquote></div><br></div>
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> That They are out there to get Us.
>
> 2016-12-15 11:04 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
>
> > The internet is as human and as murderous as 'the real world' which it
> > also is.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 1:54 AM, Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Or what has it taught you?
> >>
> >
> >
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> <div dir=3D"ltr">That They are out there to get Us.</div><div
> class=3D"gmai=
> l_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2016-12-15 11:04 GMT+01:00 Mark
> Koh=
> ut <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mark.kohut at gmail.com"
> target=3D"=
> _blank">mark.kohut at gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote
> class=3D"gmail_=
> quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
> solid;padding-left:1=
> ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">The internet is as human and as murderous as 'the
> =
> real world' which it also is.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div
> cla=
> ss=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On
> Thu,=
> Dec 15, 2016 at 1:54 AM, Lemuel Underwing <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a
> href=3D=
> "mailto:luunderwing at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">luunderwing at gmail.com
> </a>&=
> gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0
> =
> 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Or
> wha=
> t has it taught you?</div>
> </blockquote></div><br></div>
> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
>
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> I had an exchange with the Books Editor of The Guardian, a Ms. Claire
> Armistead, when she asked for possible new questions to ask Paul Beatty as
> she had an interview coming up. I suggested asking about Pynchon's possible
> influence, esp GR, and sent her the shortlist below.
>
> She did ask him and he said he has never read him but also wrote "but he
> wears his reading lightly so can't be sure".
>
> I joked that it was almost Jungian (a name Beatty's narrator throws off
> almost wistfully a couple--three times ) and shows the depth of the
> "collective consciousness" of great "savage satirists" maybe.
>
> BTW, Beatty doesn't like his novel called "comic' or satiric he said in
> another interview because it keeps one from dealing with the serious
> themes. I'm at noticeable fault but I like this guy's vision.......
>
>
> Seven ways of No Influence:
> Lists: The riffs, the surprising, obliquely apt lists of comparisons he
> applies to various surreal situations.
>
> Baroque outrageousness.
>
> Slothrop's conditioning in Gravity's Rainbow. And the narrator's
>
> The Shit, Money and The Word as it is labelled in GR. "My bowels evacuated
> me". And his name is Me.
>
> Charisma is a character also in Pynchon.
>
> the trope of a 'lost community'--nowhere on a map.
>
> and most deeply, perhaps, the pervasive power and dominance--from the basic
> plot to other relationships....ala Gravity's Rainbow esp.
>
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> <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I had an exchange with the Books Editor of The
> Guardi=
> an, a Ms. Claire Armistead, when she asked =C2=A0for possible new
> questions=
> to ask Paul Beatty as she had an interview coming up. I suggested asking
> a=
> bout Pynchon's possible influence, esp GR, and sent her the shortlist
> b=
> elow.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>She did ask him and he said he has
> nev=
> er read him but also wrote "but he wears his reading lightly so
> can=
> 9;t be sure".=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I joked that it was
> almos=
> t Jungian (a name Beatty's narrator throws off almost wistfully a
> coupl=
> e--three times ) and shows the depth of the "collective
> consciousness&=
> quot; of great "savage satirists" maybe.=C2=A0</div><div><br></
> di=
> v><div>BTW, Beatty doesn't like his novel called "comic' or
> sa=
> tiric he said in another interview because it keeps one from dealing with
> t=
> he serious themes. I'm at noticeable fault but I like this guy's
> vi=
> sion.......</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Seven ways of No
> Influe=
> nce:=C2=A0</div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);
> font-family:arial;font-size=
> :15px;white-space:pre-wrap">Lists: The riffs, the surprising, obliquely
> apt=
> lists of comparisons he applies to various surreal situations.
> </span><br>=
> <div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:
> 15px;white=
> -space:pre-wrap"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);
> font=
> -family:arial;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap">Baroque
> outrageousness.<=
> /span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);
> font-family:arial;font-siz=
> e:15px;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></div><div><span
> style=3D"color:rgb=
> (0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:15px;white-space:
> pre-wrap">Slothrop'=
> ;s conditioning in Gravity's Rainbow. And the
> narrator's</span></di=
> v><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:
> 15px;whi=
> te-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></div><div><span
> style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);fo=
> nt-family:arial;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap">The Shit, Money and
> Th=
> e Word as it is labelled in GR. "My bowels evacuated me". And
> his=
> name is Me. </span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);
> font-family:=
> arial;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></div><div><span
> styl=
> e=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:15px;
> white-space:pre-wrap=
> ">Charisma is a character also in Pynchon. </span></div><div><span
> style=3D=
> "color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:15px;white-
> space:pre-wrap"><b=
> r></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);
> font-family:arial;font-=
> size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap">the trope of a 'lost
> community'--no=
> where on a map. </span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);
> font-fami=
> ly:arial;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></div><div><font
> c=
> olor=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial"><span style=3D"font-size:15px;white-
> space:p=
> re-wrap">and most deeply, perhaps, the pervasive power and dominance--from
> =
> the basic</span></font></div><div><font color=3D"#000000"
> face=3D"arial"><s=
> pan style=3D"font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap">plot to other
> relationshi=
> ps....ala Gravity's Rainbow esp.</span></font></div><div><font
> color=3D=
> "#000000" face=3D"arial"><span style=3D"font-size:15px;white-
> space:pre-wrap=
> "><br></span></font></div><div><br></div><div><font color=3D"#000000"
> face=
> =3D"arial"><span style=3D"font-size:15px;white-
> space:pre-wrap"><br></span><=
> /font></div></div>
>
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> That invisible, unknowable, and incredibly powerful systems of control
> are operating from a quasi-omniscient remove from our mundane daily
> lives, and that the operators of these systems have at their disposal
> mechanisms that allow them an almost incomprehensibly precise level of
> granularity in terms of their ability to observe and manipulate - and
> yet, if you were to divorce these demigod-like devices, systems, and
> operators from their dull and common context (i.e., the targets of
> their observation and manipulation, i.e. us)... they would become
> completely meaningless and worthless. So the joke is on them maybe?
>
> So why am I always crying?
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 5:21 AM, Alexei du P=C3=A9rier
> <alexei.duperier at gmail.com> wrote:
> > That They are out there to get Us.
> >
> > 2016-12-15 11:04 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> The internet is as human and as murderous as 'the real world' which it
> >> also is.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 1:54 AM, Lemuel Underwing <
> luunderwing at gmail.com=
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Or what has it taught you?
> >>
> >>
> >
> -
> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>
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>
> This is a great response, Mark. It's GRxCOL49=3DBE
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
> wr=
> ote:
> > That invisible, unknowable, and incredibly powerful systems of control
> > are operating from a quasi-omniscient remove from our mundane daily
> > lives, and that the operators of these systems have at their disposal
> > mechanisms that allow them an almost incomprehensibly precise level of
> > granularity in terms of their ability to observe and manipulate - and
> > yet, if you were to divorce these demigod-like devices, systems, and
> > operators from their dull and common context (i.e., the targets of
> > their observation and manipulation, i.e. us)... they would become
> > completely meaningless and worthless. So the joke is on them maybe?
> >
> > So why am I always crying?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 5:21 AM, Alexei du P=C3=A9rier
> > <alexei.duperier at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> That They are out there to get Us.
> >>
> >> 2016-12-15 11:04 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>> The internet is as human and as murderous as 'the real world' which it
> >>> also is.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 1:54 AM, Lemuel Underwing <
> luunderwing at gmail.co=
> m>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Or what has it taught you?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> > -
> > Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
> -
> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>
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>
> Thanks!
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 5:56 AM, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
> > This is a great response, Mark. It's GRxCOL49=3DBE
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
> =
> wrote:
> >> That invisible, unknowable, and incredibly powerful systems of control
> >> are operating from a quasi-omniscient remove from our mundane daily
> >> lives, and that the operators of these systems have at their disposal
> >> mechanisms that allow them an almost incomprehensibly precise level of
> >> granularity in terms of their ability to observe and manipulate - and
> >> yet, if you were to divorce these demigod-like devices, systems, and
> >> operators from their dull and common context (i.e., the targets of
> >> their observation and manipulation, i.e. us)... they would become
> >> completely meaningless and worthless. So the joke is on them maybe?
> >>
> >> So why am I always crying?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 5:21 AM, Alexei du P=C3=A9rier
> >> <alexei.duperier at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> That They are out there to get Us.
> >>>
> >>> 2016-12-15 11:04 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>> The internet is as human and as murderous as 'the real world' which it
> >>>> also is.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 1:54 AM, Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.c
> =
> om>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Or what has it taught you?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >> -
> >> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
> -
> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>
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>
> Date:
> From:
> Subject: [none]
>
> Pynchon's work was at the forefront of my mind because I've been
> researching PizzaGate, and some of the things I've discovered about
> the dark actors behind the current iteration of the Internet (the fake
> news brouhaha is very real, and very important, and poorly understood)
> have been blowing my tiny little mind.
>
> I'll post the blog article here once it's done.
>
> YOPJ
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
> wr=
> ote:
> > Thanks!
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 5:56 AM, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> This is a great response, Mark. It's GRxCOL49=3DBE
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com
> >=
> wrote:
> >>> That invisible, unknowable, and incredibly powerful systems of control
> >>> are operating from a quasi-omniscient remove from our mundane daily
> >>> lives, and that the operators of these systems have at their disposal
> >>> mechanisms that allow them an almost incomprehensibly precise level of
> >>> granularity in terms of their ability to observe and manipulate - and
> >>> yet, if you were to divorce these demigod-like devices, systems, and
> >>> operators from their dull and common context (i.e., the targets of
> >>> their observation and manipulation, i.e. us)... they would become
> >>> completely meaningless and worthless. So the joke is on them maybe?
> >>>
> >>> So why am I always crying?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 5:21 AM, Alexei du P=C3=A9rier
> >>> <alexei.duperier at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> That They are out there to get Us.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2016-12-15 11:04 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The internet is as human and as murderous as 'the real world' which
> i=
> t
> >>>>> also is.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 1:54 AM, Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.
> =
> com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Or what has it taught you?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>> -
> >>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
> -
> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
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> sounds a bit more like something Robert Coover has done--the baroque
> outrageousness and deranged surrealism
>
> rich
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 5:22 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I had an exchange with the Books Editor of The Guardian, a Ms. Claire
> > Armistead, when she asked for possible new questions to ask Paul Beatty
> as
> > she had an interview coming up. I suggested asking about Pynchon's
> possible
> > influence, esp GR, and sent her the shortlist below.
> >
> > She did ask him and he said he has never read him but also wrote "but he
> > wears his reading lightly so can't be sure".
> >
> > I joked that it was almost Jungian (a name Beatty's narrator throws off
> > almost wistfully a couple--three times ) and shows the depth of the
> > "collective consciousness" of great "savage satirists" maybe.
> >
> > BTW, Beatty doesn't like his novel called "comic' or satiric he said in
> > another interview because it keeps one from dealing with the serious
> > themes. I'm at noticeable fault but I like this guy's vision.......
> >
> >
> > Seven ways of No Influence:
> > Lists: The riffs, the surprising, obliquely apt lists of comparisons he
> > applies to various surreal situations.
> >
> > Baroque outrageousness.
> >
> > Slothrop's conditioning in Gravity's Rainbow. And the narrator's
> >
> > The Shit, Money and The Word as it is labelled in GR. "My bowels
> evacuated
> > me". And his name is Me.
> >
> > Charisma is a character also in Pynchon.
> >
> > the trope of a 'lost community'--nowhere on a map.
> >
> > and most deeply, perhaps, the pervasive power and dominance--from the
> basic
> > plot to other relationships....ala Gravity's Rainbow esp.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>sounds a bit more like something Robert Coover has
> do=
> ne--the baroque outrageousness=C2=A0 and deranged
> surrealism<br><br></div>r=
> ich<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On
> T=
> hu, Dec 15, 2016 at 5:22 AM, Mark Kohut <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a
> href=3D"ma=
> ilto:mark.kohut at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mark.kohut at gmail.com
> </a>></=
> span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0
> .8e=
> x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I had
> =
> an exchange with the Books Editor of The Guardian, a Ms. Claire Armistead,
> =
> when she asked =C2=A0for possible new questions to ask Paul Beatty as she
> h=
> ad an interview coming up. I suggested asking about Pynchon's possible
> =
> influence, esp GR, and sent her the shortlist
> below.=C2=A0</div><div><br></=
> div><div>She did ask him and he said he has never read him but also wrote
> &=
> quot;but he wears his reading lightly so can't be
> sure".=C2=A0</di=
> v><div><br></div><div>I joked that it was almost Jungian (a name
> Beatty'=
> ;s narrator throws off almost wistfully a couple--three times ) and shows
> t=
> he depth of the "collective consciousness" of great "savage
> =
> satirists" maybe.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, Beatty
> doesn'=
> ;t like his novel called "comic' or satiric he said in another
> int=
> erview because it keeps one from dealing with the serious themes. I'm
> a=
> t noticeable fault but I like this guy's vision.......</div><div><br></
> =
> div><div><br></div><div>Seven ways of No Influence:=C2=A0</div><span style=
> =3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:15px;
> white-space:pre-wrap"=
> >Lists: The riffs, the surprising, obliquely apt lists of comparisons he
> ap=
> plies to various surreal situations. </span><br><div><span
> style=3D"color:r=
> gb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:15px;white-space:
> pre-wrap"><br></span=
> ></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:
> 15p=
> x;white-space:pre-wrap">Baroque outrageousness.</span></div><div><span
> styl=
> e=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:15px;
> white-space:pre-wrap=
> "><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);
> font-family:arial;f=
> ont-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap">Slothrop's conditioning in
> Gravity&=
> #39;s Rainbow. And the narrator's</span></div><div><span
> style=3D"color=
> :rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:15px;white-space:
> pre-wrap"><br></sp=
> an></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);
> font-family:arial;font-size:1=
> 5px;white-space:pre-wrap">The Shit, Money and The Word as it is labelled
> in=
> GR. "My bowels evacuated me". And his name is Me.
> </span></div><=
> div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:
> 15px;white-=
> space:pre-wrap"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);
> font-=
> family:arial;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap">Charisma is a character
> a=
> lso in Pynchon. </span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);
> font-fami=
> ly:arial;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></div><div><span
> s=
> tyle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:15px;
> white-space:pre-w=
> rap">the trope of a 'lost community'--nowhere on a map.
> </span></di=
> v><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:
> 15px;whi=
> te-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></div><div><font face=3D"arial"
> color=3D"#000=
> 000"><span style=3D"font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap">and most deeply,
> p=
> erhaps, the pervasive power and dominance--from the
> basic</span></font></di=
> v><div><font face=3D"arial" color=3D"#000000"><span
> style=3D"font-size:15px=
> ;white-space:pre-wrap">plot to other relationships....ala Gravity's
> Rai=
> nbow esp.</span></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial"
> color=3D"#000000"><s=
> pan style=3D"font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></
> font></div><=
> div><br></div><div><font face=3D"arial" color=3D"#000000"><span
> style=3D"fo=
> nt-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></font></div></div>
> </blockquote></div><br></div>
>
> --001a11487c4cc094550543b376b6--
> -
> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:
> From:
> Subject: [none]
>
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 10:54 PM, Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com> =
> wrote:
> > Or what has it taught you?
>
> Overall? - with quotes which might be related to the internet in some =
> way:=20
> Quote bites: =E2=80=9CAs above, so below.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CSingle =
> up all the lines=E2=80=9D because =E2=80=9Cthey are all
> connected.=E2=80=9D=
> =E2=80=9CFly toward Grace,=E2=80=9D anyway. =20
>
>
> More specifically: =20
>
> V. - me: There=E2=80=99s a whole sick crew out there in cyberspace - =
> (really sick)
>
> Quote: =20
> =E2=80=9CTo have humanism we must first be convinced of our humanity. As =
> we move further into decadence this becomes more difficult.=E2=80=9D =20=
>
>
> **
>
> The Crying of Lot 49 - me: ways of communication - lots of ways to =
> get your mail - =20
>
> Quote: =20
> =E2=80=9CShall I project a world?=E2=80=9D
>
> ** =20
>
> Gravity=E2=80=99s Rainbow - me: get past the borders - into the some =
> new frontier - being transported
>
> Quotes: =20
> =E2=80=9CA screaming comes across the sky.=E2=80=9D (across the =
> screen?)=20
>
> =E2=80=9CSo generation after generation of men in love with pain and =
> passivity serve out their time in the Zone, silent, redolent of faded =
> sperm, terrified of dying, desperately addicted to the comforts others =
> sell them, however useless, ugly or shallow, willing to have life =
> defined for them by men whose only talent is for death.=E2=80=9D=20
>
> "'Temporal bandwidth,' is the width of your present, your now. It is the =
> familiar "=E2=88=86 t" considered as a dependent variable. The more you =
> dwell in the past and in the future, the thicker your bandwidth, the =
> more solid your persona. But the narrower your sense of Now, the more =
> tenuous you are.=E2=80=9D =20
> **
>
> Vineland - they are out to get you - head for the hills and keep your =
> Social Security in order.=20
>
> Quote:
> =E2=80=9CThe smartest kid Justin ever met, back in kindergarten, had =
> told him to pretend his parents were characters in a television sitcom. =
> 'Pretend there's a frame around 'em like the Tube, pretend they're a =
> show you're watching. You can go into it if you want, or you can just =
> watch and not go into it.=E2=80=9D=20
>
> **
> Mason & Dixon - =20
>
> Quotes: =20
> "As above, so below.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9C...the heavens and the earth =
> ... [are] reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition =
> of ungodly men.=E2=80=9D unending search for grace, even unto the =
> ends of the internet. =20
>
> =E2=80=9CTo rule forever," continues the Chinaman, later, "it is =
> necessary only to create, among the people one would rule, what we =
> call...Bad History. Nothing will produce Bad History more directly nor =
> brutally, than drawing a Line, in particular a Right Line, the very =
> Shape of Contempt, through the midst of a People,-- to create thus a =
> Distinction betwixt 'em,-- 'tis the first stroke.-- All else will follow =
> as if predestin'd, unto War and Devastation.=E2=80=9D=20
>
> **
>
> Against the Day - =20
>
> Quotes: =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6now single up all lines!=E2=80=9D =20
>
> "But a few choosing to venture deeper into the painful corridors of =
> their affliction (the internet) , found after a while that they could =
> now grind and polish ever more exotic surfaces, hyperboloidial and even =
> stranger, eventually including what we must term
> =E2=80=98imaginary=E2=80=99=
> shapes (which some preferred to term invisible).=E2=80=9D=20
>
>
> **
> Inherent Vice - the dark side is always present - it=E2=80=99s all =
> unstable - everyone is nuts or doped out or both - lost in a fog of =
> dreams - =20
>
> Quote:=20
> =E2=80=9CPeople in this town saw only what they'd all agreed to see, =
> they believed what was on the tube or in the morning papers half of them =
> read while they were driving to work on the freeway, and it was all =
> their dream about being wised up, about the truth setting them free.=E2=80=
> =9D=20
>
> **
> Bleeding Edge - yup - it=E2=80=99s all connected (So see if you can =
> "single up all the lines=E2=80=9D (networks - clues - ?? ) and find more =
> bad guys as you go deeper and deeper. There=E2=80=99s a dark =
> underside to everything - networks of power and government and so on - =
> they=E2=80=99re all connected and the whole is never completely seen - =
> always a mystery in it - =20
>
> Quote:
> "Paranoia's the garlic in life's kitchen, right, you can never have too =
> much.=E2=80=9D
>
> Becky=20
> that was pretty fun - =20
>
>
> -
> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:
> From:
> Subject: [none]
>
> Good work!
>
> Www.innergroovemusic.com
>
> > On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Becky Lindroos <bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net>
> wrot=
> e:
> >=20
> >> On Dec 14, 2016, at 10:54 PM, Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com>
> wr=
> ote:
> >> Or what has it taught you?
> >=20
> > Overall? - with quotes which might be related to the internet in some
> wa=
> y:=20
> > Quote bites: =E2=80=9CAs above, so below.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CSingle
> u=
> p all the lines=E2=80=9D because =E2=80=9Cthey are all
> connected.=E2=80=9D =
> =E2=80=9CFly toward Grace,=E2=80=9D anyway. =20
> >=20
> >=20
> > More specifically: =20
> >=20
> > V. - me: There=E2=80=99s a whole sick crew out there in cyberspace
> - (=
> really sick)
> >=20
> > Quote: =20
> > =E2=80=9CTo have humanism we must first be convinced of our humanity. As
> w=
> e move further into decadence this becomes more difficult.=E2=80=9D =20
> >=20
> > **
> >=20
> > The Crying of Lot 49 - me: ways of communication - lots of ways to
> get y=
> our mail - =20
> >=20
> > Quote: =20
> > =E2=80=9CShall I project a world?=E2=80=9D
> >=20
> > ** =20
> >=20
> > Gravity=E2=80=99s Rainbow - me: get past the borders - into the some
> new=
> frontier - being transported
> >=20
> > Quotes: =20
> > =E2=80=9CA screaming comes across the sky.=E2=80=9D (across the
> screen?)=
> =20
> >=20
> > =E2=80=9CSo generation after generation of men in love with pain and
> passi=
> vity serve out their time in the Zone, silent, redolent of faded sperm,
> terr=
> ified of dying, desperately addicted to the comforts others sell them,
> howev=
> er useless, ugly or shallow, willing to have life defined for them by men
> wh=
> ose only talent is for death.=E2=80=9D=20
> >=20
> > "'Temporal bandwidth,' is the width of your present, your now. It is the
> f=
> amiliar "=E2=88=86 t" considered as a dependent variable. The more you
> dwell=
> in the past and in the future, the thicker your bandwidth, the more solid
> y=
> our persona. But the narrower your sense of Now, the more tenuous you
> are.=E2=
> =80=9D =20
> > **
> >=20
> > Vineland - they are out to get you - head for the hills and keep your
> Soc=
> ial Security in order.=20
> >=20
> > Quote:
> > =E2=80=9CThe smartest kid Justin ever met, back in kindergarten, had
> told h=
> im to pretend his parents were characters in a television sitcom. 'Pretend
> t=
> here's a frame around 'em like the Tube, pretend they're a show you're
> watch=
> ing. You can go into it if you want, or you can just watch and not go into
> i=
> t.=E2=80=9D=20
> >=20
> > **
> > Mason & Dixon - =20
> >=20
> > Quotes: =20
> > "As above, so below.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9C...the heavens and the earth
> ...=
> [are] reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of
> ungod=
> ly men.=E2=80=9D unending search for grace, even unto the ends of the
> in=
> ternet. =20
> >=20
> > =E2=80=9CTo rule forever," continues the Chinaman, later, "it is
> necessary=
> only to create, among the people one would rule, what we call...Bad
> History=
> . Nothing will produce Bad History more directly nor brutally, than
> drawing a=
> Line, in particular a Right Line, the very Shape of Contempt, through the
> m=
> idst of a People,-- to create thus a Distinction betwixt 'em,-- 'tis the
> fir=
> st stroke.-- All else will follow as if predestin'd, unto War and
> Devastatio=
> n.=E2=80=9D=20
> >=20
> > **
> >=20
> > Against the Day - =20
> >=20
> > Quotes: =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6now single up all lines!=E2=80=9D =20
> >=20
> > "But a few choosing to venture deeper into the painful corridors of
> their a=
> ffliction (the internet) , found after a while that they could now grind
> and=
> polish ever more exotic surfaces, hyperboloidial and even stranger,
> eventua=
> lly including what we must term =E2=80=98imaginary=E2=80=99 shapes (which
> so=
> me preferred to term invisible).=E2=80=9D=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > **
> > Inherent Vice - the dark side is always present - it=E2=80=99s all
> unst=
> able - everyone is nuts or doped out or both - lost in a fog of dreams -
> =20=
>
> >=20
> > Quote:=20
> > =E2=80=9CPeople in this town saw only what they'd all agreed to see,
> they b=
> elieved what was on the tube or in the morning papers half of them read
> whil=
> e they were driving to work on the freeway, and it was all their dream
> about=
> being wised up, about the truth setting them free.=E2=80=9D=20
> >=20
> > **
> > Bleeding Edge - yup - it=E2=80=99s all connected (So see if you can
> "sin=
> gle up all the lines=E2=80=9D (networks - clues - ?? ) and find more bad
> guy=
> s as you go deeper and deeper. There=E2=80=99s a dark underside to
> everyt=
> hing - networks of power and government and so on - they=E2=80=99re all
> conn=
> ected and the whole is never completely seen - always a mystery in it -
> =20=
>
> >=20
> > Quote:
> > "Paranoia's the garlic in life's kitchen, right, you can never have too
> mu=
> ch.=E2=80=9D
> >=20
> > Becky=20
> > that was pretty fun - =20
> >=20
> >=20
> > -
> > Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=3Dpynchon-l
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> John Perry Barlow (@JPBarlow)
> 12/10/16, 12:18 PM
> Predicting 30 years ago that the Internet might "tenderize" the Nation
> State=
> , I wasn't considering we'd delegitimize our power transfers.
>
> Download the Twitter app
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> that the Internet might "tenderize" the Nation State, I wasn't considering
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