NP - The Witch (movie)

Mon Dec 19 10:33:19 CST 2016

John -  I could have written your words. 

Becky 

> On Dec 19, 2016, at 12:23 AM, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm calling this for P-List thread of the year. I've wanted to see The
> VVitch (that's how it was spelled here) for a while but wanted to
> avoid spoilers, and every day I find not spoilers but tangents going
> to god knows where. If this thread ever makes its way back to the
> movie I'll be disappointed.
> Anyway: what do we make of this idea that voting for Trump appeals as
> a subversive act these days? In the last year I've read more and more
> younger people make articulate defences of a turn towards conservatism
> as a new kind of rebellion, and I think people in their teens and
> twenties *should* rebel and question and interrogate the power
> structures they're expected to inherit etc and I hope I'm still doing
> the same now, but my, oh my. What would Pynchon make of it.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 7:06 PM, kelber at mindspring.com
> <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Sadly, even heroin addicts have the right to vote. Perhaps the next time we
>> can round them up and put them in internment camps, or even extermination
>> camps. Would that meet with your approval?
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>> 
>> 
>> David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I didn't catch the reason these idiots voted for Trump. But their sad
>> anti-existential reasons for nihilistic Trump voting is why we lost.
>> 
>> David Morris
>> 
>> On Sunday, December 18, 2016, kelber at mindspring.com <kelber at mindspring.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Michael Moore's pre-election analysis is absolutely spot-on,
>>> post-election:
>>> 
>>> http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/
>>> 
>>> Point 5 is particularly relevant for people to consider. My daughter
>>> reports that a sub-set if her friends - millennials, by and large,
>>> marginally employed, drug-addled, with no future - voted for Trump for this
>>> very reason.
>>> 
>>> LK
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Krugman, like so many who think like liberals with a conscience missed
>>> something huge in the recent election and he still doesn't seem to
>>> realize how wrong he was about the working people who supported Trump
>>> and how the trade agreements with China and Mexico impacted wages.
>>> Krugman, who defends trade, and the trade agreements (WTO, Most
>>> Favored Trading Nation Status for China, for example )that stripped US
>>> workers of wealth and job security argues that the US  jobs and the
>>> benefits were lost to technology. This is false and those simple folk
>>> Krugman claims to care about know it, even though he is a professor of
>>> Economics,  has the Nobel in Economics and most of them don't have a
>>> degree in anything. China's gain was the  US loss, in wages, job
>>> security. Sure, the wealth got skewed more and more to the top 10%
>>> under US Capitalism while in China the poor were lifted out of
>>> poverty, so one could argue, as liberals often do, and did when the
>>> unfair trade advantage was extended to China, that the US needed to
>>> redistribute the wealth, educate, re-educate, invest in
>>> infrastructure, productivity, workers...to offset the unfair trade
>>> that raised the Chinese workers out of poverty and stripped US workers
>>> of the wages, and that, in the long run, a China without poverty would
>>> benefit not only China but the US, US workers, and the world. Not true
>>> of course, but this was the thinking and Krugman was a big cheerleader
>>> for it. Now he is reluctant to admit that he was wrong. The Liberals
>>> got it wrong. At least from the American worker's point of view they
>>> did. The US gave up a lot of manufacturing. It would shift to service
>>> and knowledge economy. The shift, from Clinton through Bush and to
>>> Obama, 24 years, failed. The Chinese took full advantage, and they
>>> manipulated the currency to boot. Workers know this. Will Trump change
>>> things?
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I look at the Times everyday and agree about the treatment of Hillary's
>>>> silly emails, which clearly shouldn't have amounted to a row of beans in
>>>> this crazy world. Krugman calls it false equivalency and says the
>>>> mainstream
>>>> press in general was guilty. He recently wrote a scathing piece on the
>>>> subject.
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 7:09 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Paul!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I like the NYT grammarian.  Otherwise I hate the NYT for endlessly
>>>>> persecuting Hillary's emails and not showcasing Trump's endless lies,
>>>>> race-baiting, Putin-loving anti-NATO crap. I HATE the NYT.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just saying..
>>>>> David Morris
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Saturday, December 17, 2016, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No more than any other English teacher would--Hi David.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> p
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 5:35 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> OK.  Is it no different than our English?  You quibble.  Do you have
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> point?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 17, 2016, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Shakespeare's language is Modern English, not Old or Middle English.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:53 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-witch-2016
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm only at the first third, but everything so far is layered in
>>>>>>>>> deep
>>>>>>>>> resonances.  The language is faithfully old English, but that's
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> the only
>>>>>>>>> reason it reminds me of Shakespeare.  The drama is smart and real.
>>>>>>>>> Cinematography is superb, as is the soundtrack.  In that regard
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>>>> like Kubrick, but without the symmetry and clean edges.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> David Morris
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>>>>>> 
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