https://lareviewofbooks.org/essay/historys-dick-jokes-on-melville-and-hawthorne

[Jochen Stremmel]

I quote:

"The issue, then, is whether serious scholars writing about famous authors
can reasonably deign to take dick jokes as evidence. And if we are indeed
willing to take them as evidence, just how do we go about determining what
kind of evidence they are?"

Like *Moby-Dick*. As in “dick.”
Can't find it witty or excellent. Clever maybe. At cost of wit and
excellence.



2016-02-01 23:36 GMT+01:00 ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>:

> His humor is as bawdy as Shakespeare's, as Grotesque as Chaucer's, as
> blasphemous as  Voltaire's, as satirical as Rabelais's and as daring
> as anything P pulls off in GR.
>
>
> Some might call it crude. Many have.
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > For the essay being excellent, the author should have checked what you
> did,
> > Ish, don't you think? About when "dick" for penis came into use?
> >
> > Melville sure was funny, even tongue-in-cheek funny but definitively not
> > crude funny.
> >
> > 2016-02-01 12:38 GMT+01:00 ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>  An excellent essay. Witty and clever and fun. It  introduces, in
> >> brief, how Melville criticism and scholarship developed and some of
> >> the more titillating topics that have fascinated critics over the past
> >> century or so.
> >>
> >> I looked this up and I think that the use of "dick" for the penis,
> >> sex, or an asshole (dickhead) probably came into use in America well
> >> after the composition and publication of his novels, perhaps after his
> >> death in 1891.
> >>
> >>  In any event, Melville's novels are funny (i.e., queer), humorous
> >> (i.e., funny) and Melville, a Confidence-Man sure, used his celebrity,
> >> a Christian man who lived with exotic men and women, worked with
> >> seamen in the sperm industry to shock, confuse, and amuse his readers.
> >>
> >> The letters are, imho, beautiful examples of Melville's style. Is he
> >> queer or mad? Is Walt Whitman?
> >>
> >> While I think of it, Melville's reviews (as noted in the dick-joke
> >> essay) are an excellent place to start, and CM chapters 14, 33, 44.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
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