NP: Q re Jung Order

[David Morris]

http://www.stanislavgrof.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/A_Brief_History_of_Transpersonal_Psychology_Grof.pdf

A Brief History of Transpersonal Psychology
By Stanislav Grof, MD



On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> As far as  New Age, channeling, the lovely and vivaciously weird Shirley
> Mclaine etc., not much to say . I was headed in a different direction at
> that time.  As far as psychedelics and meditation, It would be a very
> intense form of meditation, but there is  a guy named Mike Siegel who is
> trying to engineer a biofeedback system that might guide people toward
> transcendent mind states( let’s not quibble about terms, if you have taken
> psychedelics you know that none are adequate). His preparatory work
> included monitoring brain states for psychedelic use and for advanced
> practitioners of yoga/meditation. There did seem to be signifigant
> similarities in his research but  these were serious yogis. .  I have only
> started meditating daily for 2 months thoghh qi gong does similar things
> and I have been practicing for 4 years this month). With meditation I have
> only had 2 experiences even remotely resembling psychedelics.  I am an
> artist and pretty good with visual imagination, and these 2 times were very
> pleasant and mindbending experiences but far less psychologically or
> visually intense than psychedelics.  They are also for me anyway harder to
> achieve. Buddhism opposes inebriants  and that clouds the issue. but I know
> at least one  decades long Tibetan Buddhist who uses psychedelics. So to
> indulge what may come off as new age lingo-  the idea that plant compounds
> have a role in the spritual ecology of humans and the larger planet does
> not seem the least bit far fetched or problematic to me. But I do suspect
> there are other routes into very intense altered states.
>
> One thing that is rarely discussed with psychedelics is the long term
> effects on a person’s outlook  and thinking. IMO the thrill ride is great
> but not the main show.
>
> Siegel:
> https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcast-456-engineering-enlightenment-2/
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Allan Balliett <allan.balliett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> The most misleading idea, though, would have to be the idea that
> meditation can be a replacement for psychedelics, if you ask me.
>
>
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