Literary discussion?

[Paul Mackin]

Never got to the New Yorker piece, but given the same work, say,
Submission, the actual effect on the reader may be more a function of
reader age than of author intent. The Young laugh at the misbehavior
scornfully, believing human conduct must change. The laughter in the Old is
more of a chuckle, knowing the more things change the more they are the
same.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> I like the parsing of this distinction. Maybe that is the best way to
> understand it.
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I would think a sincere satirist was one who cared about the effect his
> work
> > has on readers.  If he or she wants to change readers' consciousness
> they're
> > sincere.  Not sure about which category H fits into. Some call him a
> > nihilist, not caring about nothin'.  But he's a fine writer.
> >
> > Kindle readers like me don't get to see the dust jacket.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Becky Lindroos <bekker2 at icloud.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Submission has been on my wish list for some time - it just got boosted
> to
> >> very soon after the new year.   Thanks.
> >>
> >> Bek
> >>
> >> > On Dec 30, 2015, at 5:39 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > the jacket for SUBMISSION quotes Adam Gopnick ( New Yorker) calling
> >> > Houellebecq " not only a satire but a sincere ( in italics) satirist,
> >> > genuinely saddened by the absurdities of history And  madnesses of
> mankind"
> >> >
> >> > My question: how does a sincere satirist differ from an insincere one?
> >> > Only answer I can think of is that it is Effective, real, artistic
> >> > satire--contrasted with failed satire, not right, not deep, not
> original.
> >> > .....
> >> > Pynchon's satire is sincere, right? swift's, of course, right?  I
> >> > thought it was a virtual truism that the best satire springs from
> idealism (
> >> > sincere) showing up the real world's failings.
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPad-
> >> > Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
> >>
> >> -
> >> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
> >
> >
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