Literary discussion?

[Mark Kohut]

I think that's mostly right on. 


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> On Jan 2, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Never got to the New Yorker piece, but given the same work, say, Submission, the actual effect on the reader may be more a function of reader age than of author intent. The Young laugh at the misbehavior scornfully, believing human conduct must change. The laughter in the Old is more of a chuckle, knowing the more things change the more they are the same.
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>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I like the parsing of this distinction. Maybe that is the best way to
>> understand it.
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I would think a sincere satirist was one who cared about the effect his work
>> > has on readers.  If he or she wants to change readers' consciousness they're
>> > sincere.  Not sure about which category H fits into. Some call him a
>> > nihilist, not caring about nothin'.  But he's a fine writer.
>> >
>> > Kindle readers like me don't get to see the dust jacket.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Becky Lindroos <bekker2 at icloud.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Submission has been on my wish list for some time - it just got boosted to
>> >> very soon after the new year.   Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> Bek
>> >>
>> >> > On Dec 30, 2015, at 5:39 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > the jacket for SUBMISSION quotes Adam Gopnick ( New Yorker) calling
>> >> > Houellebecq " not only a satire but a sincere ( in italics) satirist,
>> >> > genuinely saddened by the absurdities of history And  madnesses of mankind"
>> >> >
>> >> > My question: how does a sincere satirist differ from an insincere one?
>> >> > Only answer I can think of is that it is Effective, real, artistic
>> >> > satire--contrasted with failed satire, not right, not deep, not original.
>> >> > .....
>> >> > Pynchon's satire is sincere, right? swift's, of course, right?  I
>> >> > thought it was a virtual truism that the best satire springs from idealism (
>> >> > sincere) showing up the real world's failings.
>> >> >
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