NP: David Lynch Reading

Sun Jan 3 14:22:38 CST 2016

Ozu, Kurosawa, Varda, Godard, Ray all have multiple entries on the non-oeuvre list. A lot of the others mentioned (Sissasoko, Hara, Denis) are not quite on my radar but will definitely look into everything mentioned here. 

> On Jan 3, 2016, at 9:20 AM, Johnny Marr <marrja at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> How about Ozu for a less Western style of film making (although some of his early 1930s films, before he found his definite style, are heavily indebted to America)? Also a great way to remember Setsuo Hara - those films can be an acquired taste, but you'll instantly recognise the artistic calibre and once you gain a feel for Ozu you'll never look back.
> 
> For African cinema, I'd recommend Sissasoko, with Timbuktu a recent career high point.
> 
>> On Sunday, January 3, 2016, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Not Enuff yet.
>> Sukorov, I'd watch every Sukorov twice.
>> 
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Yeah, I meant Rohmer when I wrote Chabrol which shows how much I could
>> > learn by doing this.
>> >
>> > Enuff,
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Johnny Marr <marrja at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> The BFI in London have just started a full retrospective of Godard's work.
>> >> Last year they treated us to (among others) Rohmer, Welles, Tarkovsky and
>> >> Hou Hsiao-Hsien, all stunning.
>> >>
>> >> One of the big American film institutions recently programmed a joint David
>> >> Lynch/Jacques Rivette season (I think curated by Dennis Lim) which must have
>> >> been extraordinary.
>> >>
>> >> I'm a Bresson devotee, although I don't think all of his work is easy to
>> >> obtain. Dreyer as well, especially if you want to explore early cinema.
>> >>
>> >> Best female directors for a career retrospective would probably be Akerman
>> >> (hugely difficult to obtain, ICA in London staged a career retrospective
>> >> over the course of two and a half years), Varda or Claire Denis.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sunday, January 3, 2016, Erik Burns <eburns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I'd add John Sayles. And Alex Cox.
>> >>>
>> >>> ________________________________
>> >>> From: Jemmy Bloocher
>> >>> Sent: ‎1/‎3/‎2016 10:36
>> >>> To: Mark Kohut
>> >>> Cc: Steven Koteff; John Bailey; P-list; Douglas Holm
>> >>> Subject: Re: NP: David Lynch Reading
>> >>>
>> >>> To go with Allen, Whit Stillman?
>> >>>
>> >>> I also loved Wim Wenders circa Paris, Texas. I've only seen Wong's
>> >>> Chungking Express (loved it) so unsure of his stinkers (unless that is one
>> >>> and I'm way off-base).
>> >>>
>> >>> On 3 Jan 2016 10:14, "Mark Kohut" <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> How 'bout one great documentarian? Reality bites.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 4:40 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> > Misc. Next volume of Callow's Welles is coming out this year.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Women: consider Agnes Varda. And, yes, Jane Campion. Ida Lupino's
>> >>>> > couple--three films?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > So, Allen is your weak choice to contrast? Like having to have
>> >>>> > informed opinions about Hitchcock?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > No Godard? THE one I would commit to were I to commit.
>> >>>> > Along with Ray,  and/or Ozu. And Kurosawa . And, yes, Linklater. And
>> >>>> > Kiarostrami. And Lee.
>> >>>> >  All white guys and girls---
>> >>>> > talking about myself here---should see more Lee. imho.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > How about placing a guy like Ken Loach in context? How much art, how
>> >>>> > much cause and sociology?
>> >>>> > Remember AMERICA unfolds w studio genre creations, if America seen is
>> >>>> > a subgoal.(which it isn't, i just reread)
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > No Truffaut? And I'd watch Chabrol over Melville. But that's me.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > In the circles, I have circled, I have needed my strong opinions about
>> >>>> > Hitchcock. Perhaps
>> >>>> > We all do.
>> >>>> > Your list is, of course, a high-minded one. Wilsonian ( per recent
>> >>>> > post). Kind I like
>> >>>> > But not most folk...but this is the plist.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Watch some bad movies too. Just sayin'.
>> >>>> > Then there are the Royal Shakespeare Company productions of
>> >>>> > Shakespeare. (joke, sorta) which I may do.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Do a book--blog first? Our Year of Watching Movies. (or Film, first
>> >>>> > discussion) New trend in books.
>> >>>> > and I'm not prescribing with anything above, just projecting my own
>> >>>> > self, mostly.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Except I am saying if you are anywhere near NYC's Film Forum you MUST
>> >>>> > SEE Chimes at Midnight, one of the greatest
>> >>>> > movies ever made, in ownership dispute limbo for a long time and if it
>> >>>> > now plays elsewhere, just go.
>> >>>> > Still my fave Shakespeare film and Welles.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > And, more topically, see The Big Short and Spotlight while they are
>> >>>> > "in the conversation", as well as Lee.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Back to reading I go. Up against movies, reading's through unless we
>> >>>> > keep it alive.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > my answer re Malick. No, he answers Christian apologetics in ways
>> >>>> > Heidegger did, whom he studied or wrote a
>> >>>> > diss on or whatever...
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Some of your directors offer a nice chance to explore the 'ideas' vs.
>> >>>> > 'life' in art question.
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>> >>>> > Sent from my iPadudio
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> On Jan 2, 2016, at 10:33 PM, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Geez, Herzog will keep you busy. But Aguirre and Fitzcarraldo,
>> >>>> >> absolutely unforgettable.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Will you be viewing each oeuvre chronologically?
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Women I can think of that might make it onto a similar list would be
>> >>>> >> Claire Denis, Kathryn Bigelow (big contrast across her career), Jane
>> >>>> >> Campion, Chantal Akerman (RIP).
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Douglas Holm <dkholm at mac.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >>> What a great list!!!
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> I forgot Herzog, though I don't like him all that much, but he is
>> >>>> >>> significant as a genre bender.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Corns, of course.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Mallick is interesting but more for his influence (Revenant) than his
>> >>>> >>> achievement ... Is he a Christian apologist? I can't tell, but it's
>> >>>> >>> an
>> >>>> >>> interesting discussion.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> I love Linklater ... Almost put him on the list, but didn't think of
>> >>>> >>> him
>> >>>> >>> until after "send " .... Great subject for further research.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> I've been wanting to get into Barhrani since Ebert went out on a limb
>> >>>> >>> for
>> >>>> >>> him after his first film a decade ago.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Great list!!!
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 6:49 PM, Steven Koteff <steviekoteff at gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Thanks so much for all the input so far. Definitely going to buy the
>> >>>> >>> Lynch
>> >>>> >>> on Lynch and will probably get the Lim book, too.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> We made the list on New Year's Eve, and it took several hours to do,
>> >>>> >>> and was
>> >>>> >>> great fun. Lots of arguments, diplomatic choices, etc. Like our own
>> >>>> >>> little
>> >>>> >>> climate talks.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> We ended up making choices that were some balance between directors
>> >>>> >>> we were
>> >>>> >>> interested in seeing for ourselves, directors we wanted the other
>> >>>> >>> person to
>> >>>> >>> see, and directors that felt uniquely important (or at least unique).
>> >>>> >>> I
>> >>>> >>> consider myself almost shockingly overschooled in post-1980 American
>> >>>> >>> cinema
>> >>>> >>> and really underschooled in pre-1980 American cinema plus most
>> >>>> >>> non-American
>> >>>> >>> stuff. There's not quite as much stuff on there that will fill those
>> >>>> >>> gaps as
>> >>>> >>> I'd like, which we are addressing in two ways:
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> One is that we are acknowledging we will just have to leave a few
>> >>>> >>> until
>> >>>> >>> 2017.
>> >>>> >>> Two is that we have an addendum list of directors with one or several
>> >>>> >>> movies
>> >>>> >>> we consider important to see, but who we are not totally committing
>> >>>> >>> to this
>> >>>> >>> year. E.g. The Seventh Seal is on the list, but Bergman's entire
>> >>>> >>> ouevre is
>> >>>> >>> not (maybe in 2017).
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Here's the list of we ended up with:
>> >>>> >>> Lynch
>> >>>> >>> Kubrick
>> >>>> >>> Herzog
>> >>>> >>> Todd Solondz
>> >>>> >>> Coen Bros.
>> >>>> >>> John Waters
>> >>>> >>> Terrence Malick
>> >>>> >>> Linklater
>> >>>> >>> Ramin Bahrani
>> >>>> >>> Woody Allen
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Some of the choices are matters of convenience. Bahrani is young and
>> >>>> >>> unique,
>> >>>> >>> worth seeing in his own right (as I insisted) but also only has a few
>> >>>> >>> movies
>> >>>> >>> out, which counterbalances Allen/Herzog nicely.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Longlist included, off the top of my head: Gilliam, Ray, Bergman,
>> >>>> >>> Fellini,
>> >>>> >>> Welles, Spike Lee, Aronofsky, buncha others.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Definitely lots of glaring omissions. It obviously skews
>> >>>> >>> contemporary,
>> >>>> >>> American, white. No women on the list, which is really kind of
>> >>>> >>> unforgivable.
>> >>>> >>> We had Sofia Coppola and a few others on the long list. If anybody
>> >>>> >>> has any
>> >>>> >>> recommendations to that end I'd be very interested.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 8:09 PM, Douglas Holm <dkholm at mac.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> All the Mississippi interview books and the Faber and Faber books
>> >>>> >>>> are a
>> >>>> >>>> good mix of biography and aesthetics.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> Suggested directors for your project could include:
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>> Fincher
>> >>>> >>>> Hitchcock
>> >>>> >>>> Sophia Coppola
>> >>>> >>>> Wes and PT Anderson
>> >>>> >>>> Tarantino (lots of books on him ... I did two of them)
>> >>>> >>>> Jill Sprecher
>> >>>> >>>> Ophuls
>> >>>> >>>> Nick Ray
>> >>>> >>>> Sam Fuller
>> >>>> >>>> Renoir
>> >>>> >>>> Truffaut
>> >>>> >>>> Melville
>> >>>> >>>> Kurosawa
>> >>>> >>>> Mizoguchi
>> >>>> >>>> Tarkovsky
>> >>>> >>>> Bergman
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Douglas Holm <dkholm at mac.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> There's a new book by Dennis Lim, late of the Village Voice.
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.amazon.com/David-Lynch-Another-Place-Icons/dp/0544343751
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>> >>>> >>>>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Steven Koteff <steviekoteff at gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> A month or two ago I asked if anybody could recommend a Kubrick
>> >>>> >>>>>> bio and
>> >>>> >>>>>> you guys were all helpful (went with the Lobrutto, Mark T's rec).
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> I'm no wondering if anybody has a particular book (or books) on
>> >>>> >>>>>> Lynch
>> >>>> >>>>>> to recommend. Biography is desired. If the writer is insightful
>> >>>> >>>>>> about
>> >>>> >>>>>> Lynch's work that'd be a plus but I guess I'm a bit more
>> >>>> >>>>>> interested in Lynch
>> >>>> >>>>>> the guy, as person and artist. Want insight into what made the guy
>> >>>> >>>>>> make the
>> >>>> >>>>>> work.
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> My girlfriend and I made a list of ten directors whose work we
>> >>>> >>>>>> want to
>> >>>> >>>>>> see all of, in order, before 2017. We're starting with Lynch.
>> >>>> >>>>>> Ideally I'd
>> >>>> >>>>>> like to read up on each director while we are watching his/her
>> >>>> >>>>>> stuff so I
>> >>>> >>>>>> will be checking back in.
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance. -
>> >>>> >>>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>> >>>> >>>>> -
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>> >>>> >> -
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>> >>>> -
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