NP: David Lynch Reading

[Jochen Stremmel]

Fuller was mentioned somewhere. The Naked Kiss is very good, Park Row
wonderful.

Val Lewton: both movies you mention are by Jacques Tourneur who made other
great movies.

As Mark said: Ida Lupino directed some very good movies, a strong smart
woman in a men's world.

Michael Powell comes to mind.



2016-01-03 22:21 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:

> I second Lynne Ramsey strongly.
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 4:10 PM,  <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
> > Are great directors rated solely by ego and/or pretentiousness? Both
> > Quarantino and Lynch qualify in that case.
> >
> > I like my directors entertaining, though I do like Terrence Malick's
> vision.
> > Loved Tree of Life, and I'm looking forward to seeing his new one.
> >
> > Two names that haven't been mentioned:
> >
> > Samuel Fuller - his films teeter on the edge of schlock, but for the most
> > part, regain their footing, due to his style and viewpoint. Best: Pickup
> on
> > South Street (1953), Underworld U.S.A. (1961) and the amazingly
> > lurid/artistic Shock Corrider (1963). A scene from the latter:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpuJaTA7Txk
> >
> > Val Lewton - a producer, not a director, but the directors did his
> bidding.
> > Best: Cat People (1942), I Walked With a Zombie (1943).
> >
> > Kubrick, Hitchcock, David Lean and Billy Wilder are my favorites.
> >
> > What, no women? So few women directors have been able to get the funding
> and
> > backing to make more than 5 feature, narrative movies, it's no wonder
> they
> > don't appear on "great director" lists. Imagine taking a random sampling
> of
> > male directors who've only been able to make 3-5 low budget movies during
> > their long careers, and see what you get.
> >
> > Two who often make those lists I absolutely detest: Lina Wertmuller
> (ugh!)
> > and Sofia Coppola (nepotism at its worst!). I sort of liked the strange,
> > in-your-face polemic, One Sings, the Other Doesn't by Agnes Varda, but
> > didn't care for Vagabond. I should rewatch it, though. Kathryn Bigelow
> has
> > made 9 features to date, but, aside from Hurt Locker, I'm underwhelmed.
> Jane
> > Campion's probably the best-known of all the directors, but I've only
> seen
> > The Piano (which I liked, but didn't love). Gillian Armstrong is probably
> > the most prolific (10 theatrical release narrative features, to date). I
> > liked My Brilliant Career, but haven't seen any of her others.
> >
> > I've been trying to compile a list of best English-language
> woman-directed
> > films, and/or directors to watch. Here's what I have so far:
> >
> > Best women directors:
> >
> > I Shot Andy Warhol (1996) – Mary Harron (4 features)
> >
> > American Psycho (2000)
> >
> > The Notorious Bettie Page (2005)
> >
> >
> >
> > Ratcatcher (1999) – Lynne Ramsay (3 features)
> >
> > Morvern Callar (2002)
> >
> > We Need To Talk About Kevin (2011)
> >
> >
> >
> > Fish Tank (2009) – Andrea Arnold (4 features)
> >
> > Wuthering Heights (2011)
> >
> >
> >
> > Wendy and Lucy (2008) - Kelly Reichardt – (6 features)
> >
> > Meek’s Cutoff (2010)
> >
> >
> > Honorable Mention:
> >
> >
> > Frida (2002) - Julie Taymor (5 features). I haven't seen her Shakespeare
> > films.
> >
> >
> >
> > Orlando (1992) – Sally Potter (7 features) Orlando is worth the watch.
> > Potter is very experimental, but most of her experiments fail.
> >
> >
> > Winter’s Bone – (2010) Debra Granik (2 features) This film launched
> Jennifer
> > Lawrence's career, but Granik struggles to get her projects funded.
> >
> >
> >
> > Boys Don’t Cry (1999) – Kimberly Peirce (3 features)
> >
> >
> >
> > Eve’s Bayou (1997) – Kasi Lemmons (4 features)
> >
> >
> >
> > Please Give (2010) - Nicole Holofcener (5 features)
> >
> >
> > Newcomers I'd like to see more from:
> >
> >
> > The Diary of a Teenage Girl (2015) – Marielle Heller (1 feature)
> >
> >
> > It Felt Like Love (2013) – Eliza Hittman (1 feature)
> >
> >
> > Dee Rees shows promise, though I didn't care much for Paraiah.
> >
> >
> > Laura
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: Steven Koteff
> >
> > Sent: Jan 3, 2016 3:22 PM
> >
> > To: Johnny Marr
> >
> > Cc: Mark Kohut , Erik Burns , Jemmy Bloocher , John Bailey , P-list ,
> > Douglas Holm
> >
> > Subject: Re: NP: David Lynch Reading
> >
> >
> >
> > Ozu, Kurosawa, Varda, Godard, Ray all have multiple entries on the
> > non-oeuvre list. A lot of the others mentioned (Sissasoko, Hara, Denis)
> are
> > not quite on my radar but will definitely look into everything mentioned
> > here.
> > On Jan 3, 2016, at 9:20 AM, Johnny Marr wrote:
> >
> > How about Ozu for a less Western style of film making (although some of
> his
> > early 1930s films, before he found his definite style, are heavily
> indebted
> > to America)? Also a great way to remember Setsuo Hara - those films can
> be
> > an acquired taste, but you'll instantly recognise the artistic calibre
> and
> > once you gain a feel for Ozu you'll never look back.
> > For African cinema, I'd recommend Sissasoko, with Timbuktu a recent
> career
> > high point.
> >
> > On Sunday, January 3, 2016, Mark Kohut wrote:
> > Not Enuff yet.
> >
> > Sukorov, I'd watch every Sukorov twice.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Mark Kohut wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah, I meant Rohmer when I wrote Chabrol which shows how much I could
> >
> >> learn by doing this.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Enuff,
> >
> >> Cheers
> >
> >>
> >
> >> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Johnny Marr wrote:
> >
> >>> The BFI in London have just started a full retrospective of Godard's
> >>> work.
> >
> >>> Last year they treated us to (among others) Rohmer, Welles, Tarkovsky
> and
> >
> >>> Hou Hsiao-Hsien, all stunning.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> One of the big American film institutions recently programmed a joint
> >>> David
> >
> >>> Lynch/Jacques Rivette season (I think curated by Dennis Lim) which must
> >>> have
> >
> >>> been extraordinary.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> I'm a Bresson devotee, although I don't think all of his work is easy
> to
> >
> >>> obtain. Dreyer as well, especially if you want to explore early cinema.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Best female directors for a career retrospective would probably be
> >>> Akerman
> >
> >>> (hugely difficult to obtain, ICA in London staged a career
> retrospective
> >
> >>> over the course of two and a half years), Varda or Claire Denis.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> On Sunday, January 3, 2016, Erik Burns wrote:
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >>>> I'd add John Sayles. And Alex Cox.
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >>>> ________________________________
> >
> >>>> From: Jemmy Bloocher
> >
> >>>> Sent: ‎1/‎3/‎2016 10:36
> >
> >>>> To: Mark Kohut
> >
> >>>> Cc: Steven Koteff; John Bailey; P-list; Douglas Holm
> >
> >>>> Subject: Re: NP: David Lynch Reading
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >>>> To go with Allen, Whit Stillman?
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >>>> I also loved Wim Wenders circa Paris, Texas. I've only seen Wong's
> >
> >>>> Chungking Express (loved it) so unsure of his stinkers (unless that is
> >>>> one
> >
> >>>> and I'm way off-base).
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >>>> On 3 Jan 2016 10:14, "Mark Kohut" wrote:
> >
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> How 'bout one great documentarian? Reality bites.
> >
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 4:40 AM, Mark Kohut wrote:
> >
> >>>>> > Misc. Next volume of Callow's Welles is coming out this year.
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> > Women: consider Agnes Varda. And, yes, Jane Campion. Ida Lupino's
> >
> >>>>> > couple--three films?
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> > So, Allen is your weak choice to contrast? Like having to have
> >
> >>>>> > informed opinions about Hitchcock?
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> > No Godard? THE one I would commit to were I to commit.
> >
> >>>>> > Along with Ray, and/or Ozu. And Kurosawa . And, yes, Linklater. And
> >
> >>>>> > Kiarostrami. And Lee.
> >
> >>>>> > All white guys and girls---
> >
> >>>>> > talking about myself here---should see more Lee. imho.
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> > How about placing a guy like Ken Loach in context? How much art,
> how
> >
> >>>>> > much cause and sociology?
> >
> >>>>> > Remember AMERICA unfolds w studio genre creations, if America seen
> is
> >
> >>>>> > a subgoal.(which it isn't, i just reread)
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> > No Truffaut? And I'd watch Chabrol over Melville. But that's me.
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> > In the circles, I have circled, I have needed my strong opinions
> >>>>> > about
> >
> >>>>> > Hitchcock. Perhaps
> >
> >>>>> > We all do.
> >
> >>>>> > Your list is, of course, a high-minded one. Wilsonian ( per recent
> >
> >>>>> > post). Kind I like
> >
> >>>>> > But not most folk...but this is the plist.
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> > Watch some bad movies too. Just sayin'.
> >
> >>>>> > Then there are the Royal Shakespeare Company productions of
> >
> >>>>> > Shakespeare. (joke, sorta) which I may do.
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> > Do a book--blog first? Our Year of Watching Movies. (or Film, first
> >
> >>>>> > discussion) New trend in books.
> >
> >>>>> > and I'm not prescribing with anything above, just projecting my own
> >
> >>>>> > self, mostly.
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> > Except I am saying if you are anywhere near NYC's Film Forum you
> MUST
> >
> >>>>> > SEE Chimes at Midnight, one of the greatest
> >
> >>>>> > movies ever made, in ownership dispute limbo for a long time and if
> >>>>> > it
> >
> >>>>> > now plays elsewhere, just go.
> >
> >>>>> > Still my fave Shakespeare film and Welles.
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> > And, more topically, see The Big Short and Spotlight while they are
> >
> >>>>> > "in the conversation", as well as Lee.
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> > Back to reading I go. Up against movies, reading's through unless
> we
> >
> >>>>> > keep it alive.
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> > my answer re Malick. No, he answers Christian apologetics in ways
> >
> >>>>> > Heidegger did, whom he studied or wrote a
> >
> >>>>> > diss on or whatever...
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> > Some of your directors offer a nice chance to explore the 'ideas'
> vs.
> >
> >>>>> > 'life' in art question.
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> > Sent from my iPadudio
> >
> >>>>> >
> >
> >>>>> >> On Jan 2, 2016, at 10:33 PM, John Bailey wrote:
> >
> >>>>> >>
> >
> >>>>> >> Geez, Herzog will keep you busy. But Aguirre and Fitzcarraldo,
> >
> >>>>> >> absolutely unforgettable.
> >
> >>>>> >>
> >
> >>>>> >> Will you be viewing each oeuvre chronologically?
> >
> >>>>> >>
> >
> >>>>> >> Women I can think of that might make it onto a similar list would
> be
> >
> >>>>> >> Claire Denis, Kathryn Bigelow (big contrast across her career),
> Jane
> >
> >>>>> >> Campion, Chantal Akerman (RIP).
> >
> >>>>> >>
> >
> >>>>> >>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Douglas Holm wrote:
> >
> >>>>> >>> What a great list!!!
> >
> >>>>> >>>
> >
> >>>>> >>> I forgot Herzog, though I don't like him all that much, but he is
> >
> >>>>> >>> significant as a genre bender.
> >
> >>>>> >>>
> >
> >>>>> >>> Corns, of course.
> >
> >>>>> >>>
> >
> >>>>> >>> Mallick is interesting but more for his influence (Revenant) than
> >>>>> >>> his
> >
> >>>>> >>> achievement ... Is he a Christian apologist? I can't tell, but
> it's
> >
> >>>>> >>> an
> >
> >>>>> >>> interesting discussion.
> >
> >>>>> >>>
> >
> >>>>> >>> I love Linklater ... Almost put him on the list, but didn't think
> >>>>> >>> of
> >
> >>>>> >>> him
> >
> >>>>> >>> until after "send " .... Great subject for further research.
> >
> >>>>> >>>
> >
> >>>>> >>> I've been wanting to get into Barhrani since Ebert went out on a
> >>>>> >>> limb
> >
> >>>>> >>> for
> >
> >>>>> >>> him after his first film a decade ago.
> >
> >>>>> >>>
> >
> >>>>> >>> Great list!!!
> >
> >>>>> >>>
> >
> >>>>> >>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 6:49 PM, Steven Koteff
> >
> >>>>> >>> wrote:
> >
> >>>>> >>>
> >
> >>>>> >>> Thanks so much for all the input so far. Definitely going to buy
> >>>>> >>> the
> >
> >>>>> >>> Lynch
> >
> >>>>> >>> on Lynch and will probably get the Lim book, too.
> >
> >>>>> >>>
> >
> >>>>> >>> We made the list on New Year's Eve, and it took several hours to
> >>>>> >>> do,
> >
> >>>>> >>> and was
> >
> >>>>> >>> great fun. Lots of arguments, diplomatic choices, etc. Like our
> own
> >
> >>>>> >>> little
> >
> >>>>> >>> climate talks.
> >
> >>>>> >>>
> >
> >>>>> >>> We ended up making choices that were some balance between
> directors
> >
> >>>>> >>> we were
> >
> >>>>> >>> interested in seeing for ourselves, directors we wanted the other
> >
> >>>>> >>> person to
> >
> >>>>> >>> see, and directors that felt uniquely important (or at least
> >>>>> >>> unique).
> >
> >>>>> >>> I
> >
> >>>>> >>> consider myself almost shockingly overschooled in post-1980
> >>>>> >>> American
> >
> >>>>> >>> cinema
> >
> >>>>> >>> and really underschooled in pre-1980 American cinema plus most
> >
> >>>>> >>> non-American
> >
> >>>>> >>> stuff. There's not quite as much stuff on there that will fill
> >>>>> >>> those
> >
> >>>>> >>> gaps as
> >
> >>>>> >>> I'd like, which we are addressing in two ways:
> >
> >>>>> >>>
> >
> >>>>> >>> One is that we are acknowledging we will just have to leave a few
> >
> >>>>> >>> until
> >
> >>>>> >>> 2017.
> >
> >>>>> >>> Two is that we have an addendum list of directors with one or
> >>>>> >>> several
> >
> >>>>> >>> movies
> >
> >>>>> >>> we consider important to see, but who we are not totally
> committing
> >
> >>>>> >>> to this
> >
> >>>>> >>> year. E.g. The Seventh Seal is on the list, but Bergman's entire
> >
> >>>>> >>> ouevre is
> >
> >>>>> >>> not (maybe in 2017).
> >
> >>>>> >>>
> >
> >>>>> >>> Here's the list of we ended up with:
> >
> >>>>> >>> Lynch
> >
> >>>>> >>> Kubrick
> >
> >>>>> >>> Herzog
> >
> >>>>> >>> Todd Solondz
> >
> >>>>> >>> Coen Bros.
> >
> >>>>> >>> John Waters
> >
> >>>>> >>> Terrence Malick
> >
> >>>>> >>> Linklater
> >
> >>>>> >>> Ramin Bahrani
> >
> >>>>> >>> Woody Allen
> >
> >>>>> >>>
> >
> >>>>> >>> Some of the choices are matters of convenience. Bahrani is young
> >>>>> >>> and
> >
> >>>>> >>> unique,
> >
> >>>>> >>> worth seeing in his own right (as I insisted) but also only has a
> >>>>> >>> few
> >
> >>>>> >>> movies
> >
> >>>>> >>> out, which counterbalances Allen/Herzog nicely.
> >
> >>>>> >>>
> >
> >>>>> >>> Longlist included, off the top of my head: Gilliam, Ray, Bergman,
> >
> >>>>> >>> Fellini,
> >
> >>>>> >>> Welles, Spike Lee, Aronofsky, buncha others.
> >
> >>>>> >>>
> >
> >>>>> >>> Definitely lots of glaring omissions. It obviously skews
> >
> >>>>> >>> contemporary,
> >
> >>>>> >>> American, white. No women on the list, which is really kind of
> >
> >>>>> >>> unforgivable.
> >
> >>>>> >>> We had Sofia Coppola and a few others on the long list. If
> anybody
> >
> >>>>> >>> has any
> >
> >>>>> >>> recommendations to that end I'd be very interested.
> >
> >>>>> >>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 8:09 PM, Douglas Holm wrote:
> >
> >>>>> >>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>> All the Mississippi interview books and the Faber and Faber
> books
> >
> >>>>> >>>> are a
> >
> >>>>> >>>> good mix of biography and aesthetics.
> >
> >>>>> >>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>> Suggested directors for your project could include:
> >
> >>>>> >>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>> Fincher
> >
> >>>>> >>>> Hitchcock
> >
> >>>>> >>>> Sophia Coppola
> >
> >>>>> >>>> Wes and PT Anderson
> >
> >>>>> >>>> Tarantino (lots of books on him ... I did two of them)
> >
> >>>>> >>>> Jill Sprecher
> >
> >>>>> >>>> Ophuls
> >
> >>>>> >>>> Nick Ray
> >
> >>>>> >>>> Sam Fuller
> >
> >>>>> >>>> Renoir
> >
> >>>>> >>>> Truffaut
> >
> >>>>> >>>> Melville
> >
> >>>>> >>>> Kurosawa
> >
> >>>>> >>>> Mizoguchi
> >
> >>>>> >>>> Tarkovsky
> >
> >>>>> >>>> Bergman
> >
> >>>>> >>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Douglas Holm wrote:
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>> There's a new book by Dennis Lim, late of the Village Voice.
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >>>>> >>>>>
> http://www.amazon.com/David-Lynch-Another-Place-Icons/dp/0544343751
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Steven Koteff
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> wrote:
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> A month or two ago I asked if anybody could recommend a
> Kubrick
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> bio and
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> you guys were all helpful (went with the Lobrutto, Mark T's
> >>>>> >>>>>> rec).
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> I'm no wondering if anybody has a particular book (or books)
> on
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> Lynch
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> to recommend. Biography is desired. If the writer is
> insightful
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> about
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> Lynch's work that'd be a plus but I guess I'm a bit more
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> interested in Lynch
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> the guy, as person and artist. Want insight into what made the
> >>>>> >>>>>> guy
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> make the
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> work.
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> My girlfriend and I made a list of ten directors whose work we
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> want to
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> see all of, in order, before 2017. We're starting with Lynch.
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> Ideally I'd
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> like to read up on each director while we are watching his/her
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> stuff so I
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> will be checking back in.
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>>
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance. -
> >
> >>>>> >>>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
> >
> >>>>> >>>>> -
> >
> >>>>> >>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
> >
> >>>>> >> -
> >
> >>>>> >> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
> >
> >>>>> -
> >
> >>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
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