& it doesn't stop ...

Robert Mahnke rpmahnke at gmail.com
Wed Jan 13 17:02:27 CST 2016


Apropos of this thread, here's an article that talks about how the recent
migrants to Europe skew young and male, which causes trouble:

http://www.politico.eu/article/europes-man-problem/


On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> These things are a shame to any culture. We shouldn’t forget the well
> documented problem of rape in the US military since the inclusion of women
> in combat, and the rape of women on college campuses. There has still been
> no legislation to demand outside accountability for the failed military
> justice system or the privatized campus legal hearings in regard to rape.
> The ugly truth is that many men with power simply like structures that
> enable abuse and protect their buddies; they don’t want to challenge men
> with rank, or profitable campus boys and refuse at the highest levels to
> protect the rights of women . When these things get shoved under the rug
> the press becomes less willing to report. This culture never cleans up our
> scandals , just sensationalizes them then moves on to more meaningless
> distractions.
> > On Jan 13, 2016, at 12:55 PM, kelber at mindspring.com wrote:
> >
> > Alas, this sort of behavior isn't limited to Muslim men. Aggressive
> street harassment of young women by groups of men - and not the upscale,
> educated type - is a fact of life, certainly in NYC, and in many major
> cities. Boredom, alcohol and cultural machismo (specifically, adherence to
> the virgin-whore dichotomy) are the usual suspects. I agree with Kai that
> the police and press have bungled the handling of these incidents, but, on
> the other hand, these incidents are occurring during a major cultural
> upheaval, and I pity the politicians who have to weigh images of drowned
> toddlers against assaults on their citizens.
> >
> > Look at this incident, that happened in NYC at the Puerto Rican Day
> Parade:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_Day_Parade_attacks
> >
> > "The Puerto Rican Day Parade attacks occurred on June 11, 2000 in New
> York City and involved multiple assailants who harassed, sexually
> assaulted, and robbed random victims. Many of the attacks were caught on
> video and received worldwide attention. The New York City Police Department
> was greatly criticized for its handling of the attacks. Eventually, over
> fifty women reported being harassed or assaulted."
> >
> > Most of the men involved were American, but of Dominican or Puerto Rican
> heritage, no strangers to the culture of machismo street harassment, but
> the aggressive nature of these assaults were so anomalous to the "normally"
> macho behavior ascribed to men of these backgrounds, that the outcry
> centered mostly on alcohol abuse. Alcohol was banned from subsequent
> parades. Many of the victims were paid reparations by the city, but few of
> the men received any punishment.
> >
> > But imagine these same events occurring today, say, in Dallas,
> perpetrated by a group of Mexican-American men, in the present atmosphere
> of anti-immigrant hysteria. The reaction would be dramatically different -
> hyped up, jingo-istic, hysterical, and possibly murderous.
> >
> > Which is to say that the context of these types of assaults is crucial
> in determining whether they're treated as criminal incidents or,
> conversely, either covered up in a ludicrous attempt to keep the peace
> and/or spun into racist hysteria by right-wing zealots.
> >
> > Interestingly, this belated reaction to the NYC assaults was posted 11
> years later, when the country was awash in anti-immigrant sentiments:
> >
> >
> http://www.disclose.tv/forum/puerto-rican-day-flash-mob-attacks-women-t64303.html
> >
> > Laura
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kai Frederik Lorentzen
> > Sent: Jan 13, 2016 5:30 AM
> > To: pynchon -l
> > Subject: & it doesn't stop ...
> >
> >
> > http://www.taz.de/Sexueller-Spiessrutenlauf/!5265345/
> >
> > Several cases of sexual harassment in the city of Hamburg around the
> weekend (not all of them mentioned in this article), all related to folks
> who recently came here. In one case a woman was harassed in the bus by 30 -
> 40 men, yelling "Yalla, Yalla", which is Arab for Let's go ...
> >
> > >Die 24-Jährige stieg laut Polizei um 4.51 Uhr an der Haltestelle
> Furchenacker in einen Bus der Linie 4 und wollte stadteinwärts fahren. An
> der nächsten Station stiegen „etwa 30 bis 40 Südländer in den Bus ein“,
> sagte ein Polizeisprecher. Da die Frau an der folgenden Haltestelle
> aussteigen wollte, habe sie den Stopp-Knopf gedrückt, um der Busfahrerin
> dies zu signalisieren. Da der Bus voll gewesen sei, habe sie sich durch die
> Männer hindurch zum Ausstieg drängeln müssen. „Dabei wurde sie von diversen
> Männern an den unterschiedlichsten Körperstellen angefasst“, so die
> Polizei. Der Bus hielt aber nicht wie gewünscht am Eidelstedter Platz. Die
> Frau konnte nicht aussteigen, die Übergriffe gingen weiter. Nach Angaben
> des Opfers riefen die Männer dabei „Yalla, Yalla“, was auf Arabisch „Los
> geht ’ s“ heißt. Schließlich konnte die Frau an der Kieler Straße
> aussteigen, der Bus fuhr weiter. <
> >
> > If things process further in this breathtaking speed, we'll have the
> Civil War in spring.
> >
> >
> > - Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>
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