Joe Stiglitz: Why the world economy's malaise continues
Mike Weaver
mike.weaver at zen.co.uk
Thu Jan 14 16:41:37 CST 2016
It's not really about production, it's about distribution.
On 14/01/2016 22:12, David Morris wrote:
> Does the article say deceased demand isn't the cause of over supply?
> Since I can't read it...
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> David Morris
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> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 4:08 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com
> <mailto:ishmailian at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> OK, but if demand is not declining, the price level is not
> increasing, the story is supply. That's the story, Gerry.
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> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 4:59 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
> <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Lack of demand is one of the basic causes of over-supply
> (glut), and that lack of demand might be caused by any number
> of things, like lack of money (liquidity). Overproduction
> (exceeding demand) might be another cause. Cheap money would
> not be one of its causes.
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> David Morris
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> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Robert Mahnke
> <rpmahnke at gmail.com <mailto:rpmahnke at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> When demand exceed supply, how do you distinguish between
> "a supply story" and a demand story?
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> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:31 PM, ish mailian
> <ishmailian at gmail.com <mailto:ishmailian at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Sorry about that; I thought it was a free article.
> It's an excellent article. And yes, it is focused on
> China, but the overproduction is not just a China story.
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> The super capacity that was built to meet the expected
> super demand of the developing and emerging growth
> economies, in China and elsewhere, is the story, a
> supply story.
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> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 4:07 PM, David Morris
> <fqmorris at gmail.com <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> This article is behind a paywall, but if the first
> two sentences portend its content, then it seems
> to be saying that a glut of Chinese goods is
> slowing growth. More demand would be the solution
> to this problem. Lack of demand is its cause.
>
> David Morris
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> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 2:56 PM, ish mailian
> <ishmailian at gmail.com
> <mailto:ishmailian at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Because it's true.
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> http://www.wsj.com/articles/glut-of-chinese-goods-pinches-global-economy-1433212681
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> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Robert Mahnke
> <rpmahnke at gmail.com
> <mailto:rpmahnke at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Why do you say that?
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> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:37 PM, ish
> mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com
> <mailto:ishmailian at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> The world is not not suffering from
> too little demand but with too much
> supply and with too much capacity.
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> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:00 PM, David
> Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
> <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> The economics of this inertia is
> easy to understand, and there are
> readily available remedies. The
> world faces a deficiency of
> aggregate demand, brought on by a
> combination of growing inequality
> and a mindless wave of fiscal
> austerity. Those at the top spend
> far less than those at the bottom,
> so that as money moves up, demand
> goes down. And countries like
> Germany that consistently maintain
> external surpluses are
> contributing significantly to the
> key problem of insufficient global
> demand.
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> At the same time, the U.S. suffers
> from a milder form of the fiscal
> austerity prevailing in Europe.
> Indeed, some 500,000
> <http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/07/08/263588/the-conservative-recovery-continues-2/> fewer
> people are employed by the public
> sector in the U.S. than before the
> crisis. With normal expansion in
> government employment since 2008,
> there would have been two million
> more.
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> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:39 PM,
> Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com
> <mailto:rpmahnke at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-e-stiglitz/world-economy-2016_b_8908560.html?utm_hp_ref=world
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