NP: Moby Dick

[Mark Kohut]

This linked pdf of Lawrence's essay is a GREAT one, Laura....just reread
the beginning and
the voice can remind of the GR narrator in its directness......

On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> O,O, O, that Shakesperian Rag.....if THAT is the case, then DON'T BUY IT.
> The text is free of course, public domain and there seems to be one version
> which includes DH Lawrence's wonderful--and influential essay from his book
> about Amer Lit.....also free...
>
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Becky Lindroos <bekker2 at icloud.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I’d be wary of ebooks based on Norton Criticals -  many times these are
>> NOT what is advertised but far, far less - for .99 you probably get the
>> basic Moby Dick text without any kind of Norton Critical extras.   -  It’s
>> happened to me many times.   I’ll try it but it’s totally disappointing and
>> I have to get something specifically includes the parts I want.
>>
>> Becky
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 30, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Perry Noid <coolwithdoc at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I think I will pick up the Norton edition. I have this bantam paperback
>> that is unadorned with not even a footnote. Had a lengthy convo with a
>> friend who had just finished the book for the first time who remarked on
>> the vagina dentata of the Whale written about in an introduction to his
>> copy by a guy named Beaver. Thought it was a joke at first. Anyway, I'm not
>> particularly interested in the gynophobia of the novel, only a little, but
>> I'm sure Beaver has much more to say other than that. Just made me realize
>> that my copy of the book is pretty bare bones.
>> >
>> > Something I am particularly interested in is a comparison of the
>> painting from the spouter inn and the relief on the Ecuadorean doubloon.
>> They seem to be analogues to me. While we are on the subject if anyone
>> knows of a piece comparing the two images I would be interested in that.
>> >
>> > On Saturday, January 30, 2016, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Yes, I do hope so....I have read Buell's essay alluded to in that
>> > Master's thesis paper I sent around which Perry reminded of...
>> >
>> > and, without having reread Moby Dick, and I have read about it
>> > as well, I did agree with Buell that Pynchon knew it, of course.
>> >  but did not
>> > even sorta 'rewrite' it as the Master Thesis Baiter suggested....
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 7:18 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Yes, the Nortons are excellent and because they are a standard in
>> > undergraduate courses can be picked up "used" (M-D, like GR is a book
>> > many buy but never finish) on the cheap.
>> >
>> > http://books.wwnorton.com/books/webad.aspx?id=11008
>> >
>> > Scholars, like Professor Parker,  may prefer the Northwestern-Newberry
>> > Edition: Moby Dick, or The Whale, Volume 6, Scholarly Edition
>> > http://www.nupress.northwestern.edu/content/moby-dick-or-whale-0
>> >
>> >
>> > Once you are into the book, I hope we can discuss it and how it may
>> > have influenced Pynchon and his generation (Kesey & Co.)  and more
>> > recently....
>> >
>> > When and if you have a more specific focus, let me know and I will try
>> > to make a suggestion or two.
>> >
>> > A beautiful book:
>> > AHAB'S WIFE
>> > Or, The Star-Gazer.
>> > By Sena Jeter Naslund.
>> >
>> >  https://www.nytimes.com/books/99/10/03/reviews/991003.03derast.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 5:00 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > If .99c can be spent for a Kindle book, free app for, I recommend the
>> Norton
>> > > Critical
>> > > edition as the one that could be used if one had no other sources.
>> > >
>> > > Go look at it at Amazon, all kinds of biographical, historical, very
>> > > interesting stuff and critical essays
>> > > and annotations....
>> > >
>> > > There are lotsa good full books on Moby Dick. Lotsa good essays. One
>> can
>> > > find lotsa critical
>> > > discussion via Moby Dick and Melville in Google Books, though often
>> not the
>> > > whole piece but intros,
>> > > summaries, riffs from the books, etc.
>> > >
>> > > In libraries, one can find the works of those who started the rebirth
>> of
>> > > Melville in the beginning of the 20th Century.
>> > > Matthiessen, Newton Arvin and the Plist-known name, Lewis Mumford.
>> > >
>> > > Herschel Parker has written the major full definitive biography. See
>> what he
>> > > mentions anywhere.
>> > > I asked him once at a signing if he thought
>> > > the stammered uncontrolled punch in Billy Budd COULD HAVE been
>> inspired by
>> > > that charge some
>> > > have brought against him in recent decades, that he may have hit his
>> wife. I
>> > > speculated maybe that once, wildly,
>> > > not really angrily a blow at her, but an angry blow that did hit her
>> and he
>> > > knew too late he should have been
>> > > in control, not so overcome with anger. Artistically rendered into
>> Billy
>> > > Budd.
>> > >
>> > > He thought No to that. Because he Is uncertain about the domestic
>> violence
>> > > charge.
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:51 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Calling you, Ishmailian, but others should chime in.
>> > >>
>> > >> Looking for recommendations of critical essays/papers on Moby Dick,
>> in
>> > >> advance of a reread that, hopefully, will be more informed than the
>> last
>> > >> one. I don't have a specific focus in mind - lit crit (not too
>> jargon-y -
>> > >> I'm a civilian), psychological, philosophical, character studies,
>> language,
>> > >> the theme of work, etc. Basically, anything anyone here has read
>> that they
>> > >> found illuminating. The one criterion: must be available on line.
>> > >>
>> > >> Laura
>> > >> -
>> > >> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>> > >
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