NP: Moby Dick

Sat Jan 30 16:00:22 CST 2016

Laura,

Go to the title Studies in Classical American Literature on wikipedia and
there is a fine linked pdf, which I meant to send, hence my words as if I
had.

Mark

On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 2:24 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the response, everyone.
>
> I'm starting with Jochen's recommendation of Philbrick's Why We Read Moby
> Dick, just to get my feet wet.
>
> Mark, do you have an easy link to that DH Lawrence essay? I don't have the
> Norton edition, but I can probably find it at the library, if not the
> Strand.
>
> Ish, didn't you reference an essay on the theme of work in Moby Dick a
> couple-three weeks back, or am I misremembering?
>
> I'm currently looking at "Ahab's Greatness: Prometheus as Narcissus"
>
> http://www.jstor.org/stable/2872112?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
>
> Any other takes on Ahab as something other than a vengeful madman?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Laura
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Mark Kohut
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> Sent: Jan 30, 2016 11:18 AM
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> To: Becky Lindroos , kelber
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> Cc: Perry Noid , ish mailian , pynchon -l
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> Subject: Re: NP: Moby Dick
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> This linked pdf of Lawrence's essay is a GREAT one, Laura....just reread
> the beginning andthe voice can remind of the GR narrator in its
> directness......
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Mark Kohut  wrote:
> O,O, O, that Shakesperian Rag.....if THAT is the case, then DON'T BUY
> IT.The text is free of course, public domain and there seems to be one
> versionwhich includes DH Lawrence's wonderful--and influential essay from
> his bookabout Amer Lit.....also free...
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Becky Lindroos  wrote:
> I’d be wary of ebooks based on Norton Criticals -  many times these are
> NOT what is advertised but far, far less - for .99 you probably get the
> basic Moby Dick text without any kind of Norton Critical extras.   -  It’s
> happened to me many times.   I’ll try it but it’s totally disappointing and
> I have to get something specifically includes the parts I want.
>
>
>
> Becky
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> > On Jan 30, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Perry Noid  wrote:
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> >
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> > I think I will pick up the Norton edition. I have this bantam paperback
> that is unadorned with not even a footnote. Had a lengthy convo with a
> friend who had just finished the book for the first time who remarked on
> the vagina dentata of the Whale written about in an introduction to his
> copy by a guy named Beaver. Thought it was a joke at first. Anyway, I'm not
> particularly interested in the gynophobia of the novel, only a little, but
> I'm sure Beaver has much more to say other than that. Just made me realize
> that my copy of the book is pretty bare bones.
>
> >
>
> > Something I am particularly interested in is a comparison of the
> painting from the spouter inn and the relief on the Ecuadorean doubloon.
> They seem to be analogues to me. While we are on the subject if anyone
> knows of a piece comparing the two images I would be interested in that.
>
> >
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> > On Saturday, January 30, 2016, Mark Kohut  wrote:
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> > Yes, I do hope so....I have read Buell's essay alluded to in that
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> > Master's thesis paper I sent around which Perry reminded of...
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> >
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> > and, without having reread Moby Dick, and I have read about it
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> > as well, I did agree with Buell that Pynchon knew it, of course.
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> >  but did not
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> > even sorta 'rewrite' it as the Master Thesis Baiter suggested....
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> >
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> > On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 7:18 AM, ish mailian  wrote:
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> > Yes, the Nortons are excellent and because they are a standard in
>
> > undergraduate courses can be picked up "used" (M-D, like GR is a book
>
> > many buy but never finish) on the cheap.
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> >
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> > http://books.wwnorton.com/books/webad.aspx?id=11008
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> >
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> > Scholars, like Professor Parker,  may prefer the Northwestern-Newberry
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> > Edition: Moby Dick, or The Whale, Volume 6, Scholarly Edition
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> > http://www.nupress.northwestern.edu/content/moby-dick-or-whale-0
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> >
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> >
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> > Once you are into the book, I hope we can discuss it and how it may
>
> > have influenced Pynchon and his generation (Kesey & Co.)  and more
>
> > recently....
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> >
>
> > When and if you have a more specific focus, let me know and I will try
>
> > to make a suggestion or two.
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> >
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> > A beautiful book:
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> > AHAB'S WIFE
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> > Or, The Star-Gazer.
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> > By Sena Jeter Naslund.
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> >
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> >  https://www.nytimes.com/books/99/10/03/reviews/991003.03derast.html
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> >
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> > On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 5:00 AM, Mark Kohut  wrote:
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> > > If .99c can be spent for a Kindle book, free app for, I recommend the
> Norton
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> > > Critical
>
> > > edition as the one that could be used if one had no other sources.
>
> > >
>
> > > Go look at it at Amazon, all kinds of biographical, historical, very
>
> > > interesting stuff and critical essays
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> > > and annotations....
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> > >
>
> > > There are lotsa good full books on Moby Dick. Lotsa good essays. One
> can
>
> > > find lotsa critical
>
> > > discussion via Moby Dick and Melville in Google Books, though often
> not the
>
> > > whole piece but intros,
>
> > > summaries, riffs from the books, etc.
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> > >
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> > > In libraries, one can find the works of those who started the rebirth
> of
>
> > > Melville in the beginning of the 20th Century.
>
> > > Matthiessen, Newton Arvin and the Plist-known name, Lewis Mumford.
>
> > >
>
> > > Herschel Parker has written the major full definitive biography. See
> what he
>
> > > mentions anywhere.
>
> > > I asked him once at a signing if he thought
>
> > > the stammered uncontrolled punch in Billy Budd COULD HAVE been
> inspired by
>
> > > that charge some
>
> > > have brought against him in recent decades, that he may have hit his
> wife. I
>
> > > speculated maybe that once, wildly,
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> > > not really angrily a blow at her, but an angry blow that did hit her
> and he
>
> > > knew too late he should have been
>
> > > in control, not so overcome with anger. Artistically rendered into
> Billy
>
> > > Budd.
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> > >
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> > > He thought No to that. Because he Is uncertain about the domestic
> violence
>
> > > charge.
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> > >
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> > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:51 PM,  wrote:
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> > >>
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> > >> Calling you, Ishmailian, but others should chime in.
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> > >>
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> > >> Looking for recommendations of critical essays/papers on Moby Dick, in
>
> > >> advance of a reread that, hopefully, will be more informed than the
> last
>
> > >> one. I don't have a specific focus in mind - lit crit (not too
> jargon-y -
>
> > >> I'm a civilian), psychological, philosophical, character studies,
> language,
>
> > >> the theme of work, etc. Basically, anything anyone here has read that
> they
>
> > >> found illuminating. The one criterion: must be available on line.
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> > >>
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> > >> Laura
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