(np) "Der Spiegel" knows what's good for the UK ...

Thu Jun 16 00:39:14 CDT 2016

The premise you expound isn't a big threat. OK, then what else is new? Why
read the rest?

I'm tired of existential threat bullshit.

On Thursday, June 16, 2016, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> The premise that Isis is the most serious threat to Europe is insanity
> given Global Warming , Mass extinctions, Mass migrations both from war
> zones and droughts, and the number of countries which have nukes .  Europe
> is like the US in one major way. They have allowed the media to lead them
> to constant appeasement toward the US war machine which is the major source
> of violence and disruption in the Gulf now as it has been in the Americas
> and Asia. The US supported wars and economic policies since WW2 have not
> succeeded in creating peace and stability anywhere and they continue to
> foster violence.
>
> Nobody knows  how real or stable the dollar is since it is based on global
> military domination and extreme wealth inequality. I can tell you that
> rural America is not showing signs of recovery since 2008. Many things are
> worse, fewer new local businesses, more eco disasters, many failing
> businesses. Our news is about wall street not main street .  Any country
> with 2 of the most hated and dishonest people competing for office is a
> country that doesn’t know its ass from a hole in the ground. And it is a
> big ass to misunderstand.  A lifestyle of endless driving, buying, flying,
> texting and talking is unsustainable.
>
> These polls once showed that 70% of Americans actually believed without a
> shred of evidence that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. Two ways to
> interpret that : 1) the media is a farcical mouthpiece of the government
> that frequently leads the public into important errors, or 2) public
> opinion is useless as a means to get valid information.
> I have a feeling public opinion in Europe is only marginally better.
>
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 4:09 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I wonder if this all much ado about nothing much but what follows in
> > the wake of a crisis such as the one that we're still recovering from.
> > In the States, we've recovered: inflation is 2%, the Fed's Target. And
> > Unemployment is at the NAIRU, the Fed's target. Job done. In the Eu
> > you've still got a way to go, but that's to be expected. It will take
> > time. Could the Eu have done a better job? Sure. Even the US, where
> > the Fed has done a great job it was not flawless and of course we have
> > a messy fiscal policy because the President and Congress can't get to
> > first base, but things are improving. Brexit, if it happens, won't
> > mean a great deal. I'm betting it won't happen. Buy Stocks and the
> > dollar. Short the Euro and Bunds.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:13 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen
> > <lorentzen at hotmail.de <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Correction: The dialogue itself is English, not the subtitles.
> >>
> >> Since you mention Greece, there's new empirical research on how
> Europeans
> >> feel ...
> >>
> >> http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/06/13/europeans-face-the-world-divided/
> >>
> >> While most Europeans consider ISIS to be the most serious threat to
> their
> >> country, for example 79% of the British and 85% of the Germans, the
> people
> >> of Greece (95%) see it in "global economic instability". While only 24%
> of
> >> the British and 25% of the Germans see in US power and influence a major
> >> threat to their country, it's 42% among the Greeks (--- still hard
> feelings
> >> about Goldman Sachs?). And of all the European nations it's the Greeks
> to
> >> whom a decidedly national perspective is most important: 83% - compare
> 52%
> >> in the UK and 40% in Germany - think that "our country should deal with
> its
> >> own problems and let other countries deal with their own problems as
> best as
> >> they can"; only 12% of the Greeks - Germans: 53%, British 43% - think
> that
> >> it is a good idea "to help other countries deal with their problems" ...
> >>
> >> All good EU compatriots, nicht wahr?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 15.06.2016 10:37, Kai Frederik Lorentzen wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> anybody, even Germans, should tell the Brits what to do
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a38ahhWX-BU
> >>>
> >>> 2.13 - 2.42 (English subtitles)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 15.06.2016 00:05, ish mailian wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Everybody and anybody, even Germans, should tell the Brits what to do.
> >>>> The Brits, of course, being Brits, will do exactly whatever they want.
> >>>> The Brits welcome a good argument, even from the outsider, not that
> >>>> they will listen. No harm, no foul. England can handle it. No need for
> >>>> the Germans to come to the rescue. The Greeks know what that does to
> >>>> people.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen
> >>>> <lorentzen at hotmail.de <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Beside me I have the new print edition of "Der Spiegel" and I feel
> >>>>> extraordinarily disgusted. Why? They labeled it as a "Special" and
> they
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> translated all the articles relating to the Brexit referendum into
> >>>>> English
> >>>>> ("23 extra pages in English") so now the British people can read in
> >>>>> Germany's first news magazine what's best for them and, of course,
> for
> >>>>> Europe ... I guess that's exactly what folks in the UK have waited
> for,
> >>>>> no?
> >>>>> ... Listen to them: "It's smarter to stay. The choice is between a
> >>>>> moment of
> >>>>> pride and a new future built together ..." I don't know what's
> uglier,
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> whiner stuff - "If Britain leaves the EU on this side of the Atlantic
> >>>>> while
> >>>>> Donald Trump becomes president on the other, then seemingly permanent
> >>>>> alliances will wobble, and a weakened Europe would end up alone,
> >>>>> helpless
> >>>>> amid myriad global crisis" - or the detailed ideas about an adequate
> >>>>> British
> >>>>> behavior: "(S)hould the British vote against Brexit, perhaps by 55%
> or
> >>>>> 60%
> >>>>> rather than 50,1%, then that would be a mandate. Then the British
> should
> >>>>> stop doing the things that have irritated Europe for years: special
> >>>>> requests, self-pity and wretched haggling over every last detail."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nobody should tell the British what to do. Actually I envy them for
> the
> >>>>> opportunity to make a fundamental democratic choice on EU
> membership. I
> >>>>> don't know what I would vote for in such a situation, but I think all
> >>>>> peoples in the European Union should have the same right.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And media campaigns like this are simply what they are.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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