(np) "Der Spiegel" knows what's good for the UK ...

Thu Jun 16 02:22:01 CDT 2016

No doubt that the crisis stood at the cradle of the centrifugal 
tendencies we're dealing with today in Europe. And as far as the UK is 
concerned, the Brexit would perhaps not make a crucial difference - 
although the City of London would lose market shares to the Frankfurt 
Stock Exchange -, but it would certainly encourage the rising 
nationalism in all EU countries and I doubt that anyone could get the 
cork back into the bottle again ... Not that this must be necessarily 
bad. Actually there is no danger of war between the EU nations at all, 
and it's hard to imagine anything less democratic than the Brussels 
bureaucracy, so ... Power to the people!

P.S. We already have stocks and non-euro-currencies.

On 15.06.2016 22:09, ish mailian wrote:
> I wonder if this all much ado about nothing much but what follows in
> the wake of a crisis such as the one that we're still recovering from.
> In the States, we've recovered: inflation is 2%, the Fed's Target. And
> Unemployment is at the NAIRU, the Fed's target. Job done. In the Eu
> you've still got a way to go, but that's to be expected. It will take
> time. Could the Eu have done a better job? Sure. Even the US, where
> the Fed has done a great job it was not flawless and of course we have
> a messy fiscal policy because the President and Congress can't get to
> first base, but things are improving. Brexit, if it happens, won't
> mean a great deal. I'm betting it won't happen. Buy Stocks and the
> dollar. Short the Euro and Bunds.
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:13 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen
> <lorentzen at hotmail.de>  wrote:
>> Correction: The dialogue itself is English, not the subtitles.
>>
>> Since you mention Greece, there's new empirical research on how Europeans
>> feel ...
>>
>> http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/06/13/europeans-face-the-world-divided/
>>
>> While most Europeans consider ISIS to be the most serious threat to their
>> country, for example 79% of the British and 85% of the Germans, the people
>> of Greece (95%) see it in "global economic instability". While only 24% of
>> the British and 25% of the Germans see in US power and influence a major
>> threat to their country, it's 42% among the Greeks (--- still hard feelings
>> about Goldman Sachs?). And of all the European nations it's the Greeks to
>> whom a decidedly national perspective is most important: 83% - compare 52%
>> in the UK and 40% in Germany - think that "our country should deal with its
>> own problems and let other countries deal with their own problems as best as
>> they can"; only 12% of the Greeks - Germans: 53%, British 43% - think that
>> it is a good idea "to help other countries deal with their problems" ...
>>
>> All good EU compatriots, nicht wahr?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15.06.2016 10:37, Kai Frederik Lorentzen wrote:
>>>> anybody, even Germans, should tell the Brits what to do
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a38ahhWX-BU
>>>
>>> 2.13 - 2.42 (English subtitles)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15.06.2016 00:05, ish mailian wrote:
>>>> Everybody and anybody, even Germans, should tell the Brits what to do.
>>>> The Brits, of course, being Brits, will do exactly whatever they want.
>>>> The Brits welcome a good argument, even from the outsider, not that
>>>> they will listen. No harm, no foul. England can handle it. No need for
>>>> the Germans to come to the rescue. The Greeks know what that does to
>>>> people.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen
>>>> <lorentzen at hotmail.de>  wrote:
>>>>> Beside me I have the new print edition of "Der Spiegel" and I feel
>>>>> extraordinarily disgusted. Why? They labeled it as a "Special" and they
>>>>> have
>>>>> translated all the articles relating to the Brexit referendum into
>>>>> English
>>>>> ("23 extra pages in English") so now the British people can read in
>>>>> Germany's first news magazine what's best for them and, of course, for
>>>>> Europe ... I guess that's exactly what folks in the UK have waited for,
>>>>> no?
>>>>> ... Listen to them: "It's smarter to stay. The choice is between a
>>>>> moment of
>>>>> pride and a new future built together ..." I don't know what's uglier,
>>>>> the
>>>>> whiner stuff - "If Britain leaves the EU on this side of the Atlantic
>>>>> while
>>>>> Donald Trump becomes president on the other, then seemingly permanent
>>>>> alliances will wobble, and a weakened Europe would end up alone,
>>>>> helpless
>>>>> amid myriad global crisis" - or the detailed ideas about an adequate
>>>>> British
>>>>> behavior: "(S)hould the British vote against Brexit, perhaps by 55% or
>>>>> 60%
>>>>> rather than 50,1%, then that would be a mandate. Then the British should
>>>>> stop doing the things that have irritated Europe for years: special
>>>>> requests, self-pity and wretched haggling over every last detail."
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody should tell the British what to do. Actually I envy them for the
>>>>> opportunity to make a fundamental democratic choice on EU membership. I
>>>>> don't know what I would vote for in such a situation, but I think all
>>>>> peoples in the European Union should have the same right.
>>>>>
>>>>> And media campaigns like this are simply what they are.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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