Fwd: GR translation: almond fringes

[David Morris]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: *David Morris* <fqmorris at gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2016
Subject: GR translation: almond fringes
To: Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>


You really shouldn't be asking me such questions if you think you can
translate GR.  You should already have a sensitivity to his poetic prose.

Enzian's aryan blue eyes are too beautiful to be contained within his eyes,
so they seek the source of their glory, the sky.  It means that his blue
aryan eyes are too beautiful to be contained in his face in Blicero's
loving observation.  They are like fountains of blue spilling out from his
eyes into the world.

David Morris

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com');>> wrote:

> OK, then what does it mean exactly that the blue of his eyes "is too
> much for these
> almond fringes"?
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 5:31 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The only part of an eyelid that is an edge is the part lined with lashes.
> > The rest is a covering. Lashes expressly resemble the primary meaning of
> > "fringe," which is a border composed of threads.  This whole thing is so
> > glaringly obvious that I can only conclude that you just want to make it
> > difficult.
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Mike Jing <
> gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> From the OED:
> >>
> >> fringe, n.
> >>
> >> 1. a. An ornamental bordering, consisting of a narrow band to which
> >> are attached threads of silk, cotton, etc., either loose or formed
> >> into tassels, twists, etc.
> >>
> >> 2. a. Anything resembling this; a border or edging, esp. one that is
> >> broken or serrated.
> >>
> >> And read the sentence again:
> >>
> >> ". . . his eyelids already wrinkling in oddly young/old signatures,
> >> flourishes, the eyes a seldom-encountered blue that on certain days,
> >> in sync with the weather, is too much for these almond fringes and
> >> brims over, seeps, bleeds out to illuminate the boy’s entire face . .
> >> ."
> >>
> >> It seems to me that "these almond fringes" must be referring to "his
> >> eyelids", which form the border of the eyes, with the eyelashes as
> >> part of it.
> >>
> >>
> >> I could be totally wrong though, but in any case, there is no need to
> >> get snippy.
> >>
> >> Also, not sure if you sent this off-list in error, I'm keeping my
> >> reply private for now.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 8:43 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Do you know what fringe is?  How is it that you think eyelids are
> >> > fringe?
> >> > You two deserve each other.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fringe
> >> > Simple Definition of fringe
> >> >
> >> > : a border made of hanging threads used to decorate the edge of
> >> > something
> >> > (such as clothing, rugs, and curtains)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Mike Jing
> >> > <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> It seems to me the "almond fringes" are simply his eyelids, which
> >> >> could not contain the blue of his eyes so it "brims over".
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > If he elided 'eyes'.....and the fringes refers to his whites...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hey, I'm probably wrong just throwing it out as I do...but others,
> >> >> > you,
> >> >> > Mike,  will have to judge.
> >> >> > How do you 'prove' an elision? Why even suggest one? I ask myself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Because almond as a color strikes me as.....Off ..from Pynchon, but
> >> >> > we
> >> >> > know
> >> >> > how I project.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 2:58 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> OK, but how are eyes fringe?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
> >
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> http://www.classic-colors.com/ENG/PRODUCTCOLOR/COLOR_Almond
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> almond eyes shape
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> As we've learned, Pynchon sometimes elides...and he often, often
> >> >> >>> packs
> >> >> >>> multiple meanings when he can.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 2:45 PM, David Morris <
> fqmorris at gmail.com>
> >> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> The text doesn't say "almond eyes."  It says "almond fringes,"
> >> >> >>>> which
> >> >> >>>> means blond eyelashes in the context of of his "imponderable net
> >> >> >>>> of
> >> >> >>>> gold"
> >> >> >>>> leg hair and his "eyes a seldom-encountered blue."
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> David Morris
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Mark Kohut <
> mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> >> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Almond eyes are narrow and elongated in shape. ... This shape
> is
> >> >> >>>>> usually quite large and round (similar to prominent eyes).
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:12 AM, Mike Jing
> >> >> >>>>> <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> V102.18-26   Gottfried, in the cage, watches her slip her
> bonds
> >> >> >>>>>> and
> >> >> >>>>>> go. Fair and slender, the hair on his legs only visible in
> >> >> >>>>>> sunlight
> >> >> >>>>>> and then as a fine, imponderable net of gold, his eyelids
> >> >> >>>>>> already
> >> >> >>>>>> wrinkling in oddly young/old signatures, flourishes, the eyes
> a
> >> >> >>>>>> seldom-encountered blue that on certain days, in sync with the
> >> >> >>>>>> weather, is too much for these almond fringes and brims over,
> >> >> >>>>>> seeps,
> >> >> >>>>>> bleeds out to illuminate the boy’s entire face, virgin-blue,
> >> >> >>>>>> drowned-man blue, blue drawn so insatiably into the chalky
> walls
> >> >> >>>>>> of
> >> >> >>>>>> Mediterranean streets we quietly cycled through in noontimes
> of
> >> >> >>>>>> the
> >> >> >>>>>> old peace. . . .
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Does the "almond" in "almond fringes" refer to shape? Or
> >> >> >>>>>> something
> >> >> >>>>>> else?
> >> >> >>>>>> -
> >> >> >>>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://waste.org/pipermail/pynchon-l/attachments/20160629/6daf0132/attachment.html>