P's Parents and the Parents in "yhe Secret Integration and Ernie in BE too

[ish mailian]

Not interested. You are looking to bully people and I'm not interested.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:54 AM, matthew cissell <mccissell at gmail.com> wrote:
> You don't do much far as I can tell.
>
> Oh, and ya can't show nuthin to the blind. I said that.
>
> And as far as your statement about "Everybody knows all about P's old man
> and his jobs." You're showing your ignorance. No one has ever written
> anything about Pynchon's father meeting with Nixon, or maybe you can find
> some evidence to the contrary.
>
> Do you understand what research means? I mean have you actually finished a
> program at a research university? Your reading skills seem a bit week since
> you continue to try to associate me with some claim for Pynchon's mother as
> anti-semite.
>
> Dear Child-Ish, are you one of those who sits next to the tall grass barking
> at things that move, but afraid to enter because you doubt the altitudinal
> reach of your mictations?
>
> Do bark on. Woof woof, as you please. We're not likely to meet at any
> conference, are we?
>
>
> Agur txakurra
> mc
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:52 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don't do diatribe. You are projecting.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:50 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Slander. Maybe too strong a word.  Maybe not. The too often repeated
>> > rumors about P's parents are that P's mother drank and that P  once
>> > quipped, whilst introducing a Jewish friend to his mother, that the
>> > lad, a Cornell chum and source of said gossip,  was Jewish, and that
>> > he told the boy, flippantly, that his mother was an anti-Semite. Was
>> > she? A strong allegation. Not much evidence. Got any more evidence
>> > than Jules's allegations? You do some research and tell me. If
>> > youcan't find any more I think slander is not too strong You decide.
>> > Seems to me that P's mother deserves the benefit of the doubt. That if
>> > the Pyndustry has nothing more than this repeated story from a dubious
>> > source they should stop  repeating the rumor or get more evidence to
>> > substantiate it.
>> >
>> > Everybody knows all about P's old man and his jobs. It's public. As
>> > Bob Dylan sez, What else can ya show me?
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 7:40 AM, matthew cissell <mccissell at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Ish,
>> >>
>> >> I have inquired lately along these lines and it would seem that you are
>> >> addressing my posts, so please allow me to respond.
>> >>
>> >>   "Same old slaner [sic]" Really? Slander? Can you explain that? "Old
>> >> gossip"?
>> >>
>> >>   IF you bother to do some research, you will find that Pynchon's
>> >> father was
>> >> not just part of the LI GOP but had a fairly important position and
>> >> even met
>> >> with Nixon in 1960 while he was still VP. (I'll attach a PDF, you can
>> >> look
>> >> on page 8 and find Thomas R. Pynchon listed as "Republican Leader", but
>> >> perhaps your ignorance of Nassau Co. politics of the time might limit
>> >> yourunderstanding of the significance of the document. He was more than
>> >> just
>> >> a party member.) Fact, not slander.
>> >>
>> >> Gee, I guess it's not gossip that his father was a conservative fellow.
>> >> Do
>> >> you still think that I am somehow slandering either Mr. Pynchon or his
>> >> father's name?
>> >>
>> >> As for Pynchon's mother, I have never claimed she was anti-semitic
>> >> (although
>> >> that was fairly commmon among US catholics, just go see about Father
>> >> Coughlin) nor that she drank, that came from Boris Kachka's piece which
>> >> is
>> >> hardly decades old or gossip - unless, of course, you have a very
>> >> idiosyncratic definition of slander and gossip.
>> >>
>> >> I don't really understand the natrue of your diatribe nor your desire
>> >> to
>> >> cast aspersions on the work of others - is that the only way you coud
>> >> think
>> >> of opening your post? I suppose it is normal now in the Info Age to
>> >> hide
>> >> behind keyboards and nics. Right, Ish?
>> >>
>> >> My posts are not based on gossip nor do they constitute slander.
>> >>
>> >> Oh, and your final spin: "how he may have come to forgive them their
>> >> politics, good church going boy that he was and all," has nothing to do
>> >> with
>> >> my posts or claims. It struck me as inane and child-Ish.
>> >>
>> >> Keep trying.
>> >>
>> >> Agur,
>> >>
>> >> Matthew C. Cissell
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 7:40 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> So recently a thread about P's parents repeated the same old slaner
>> >>> about his mother and father, the same old stupid gossip heard decades
>> >>> ago about how his mom, a catholic,  hated Jews and how she drank and
>> >>> how his old man was a Nassau county conservative and how he may have
>> >>> come to forgive them their politics, good church going boy that he was
>> >>> and all.
>> >>>
>> >>> But the fiction does deal in parents and in kids a lot. Not just the
>> >>> so-called family stage of his career but all of it. And one common
>> >>> enough theme is how the parents try to impose their political
>> >>> ideologies on their kids throug education and books and media. And the
>> >>> treatment of young minds as childish, and the treatment of Blacks and
>> >>> Others as Objects, as Problems, as pawns in the game.
>> >>>
>> >>> I mentioned this TSI essay, a damn fine essay on the subject so here
>> >>> is the citation.
>> >>>
>> >>> Boulter, Joe. "Children and Slaves in the West: Imagining Fraternity
>> >>> Among Outlaws in 'The Secret Integration'."Oklahoma City University
>> >>> Law Review 24.3 (Fall 1999): 518-533.
>> >>> -
>> >>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>> >>
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