A point-by-point breakdown of the first half of that book I was telling you about.

[Paul Mackin]

https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-1/sds-ousts-plp.htm


Jack Smith was editor of the Guardian.  Met him once in the newsroom in
NYC. Introduced by a friend who worked on the paper.


On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not self-published. Real publisher. Usually OP now means a rights problem.
> Whoever owns the rights is in dispute or is saying No.
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't quite follow all of this, maybe because I don't know all of the
>> backstory. I'm deep into the book now, and it is fascinating, as gripping
>> as any thriller. Not being in the publishing industry, I wanted to ask if
>> the reason it's out of print is possibly because it needs a lot of work?
>> Lots of typos and maybe some editing, as well. Has the feel of being
>> self-published...
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 5:45 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Oglesby
>>>
>>> Jerky throws us a VERY anarchic curve ball. Looking to refresh myself
>>> and learn more
>>> about Carl Oglesby, I go to wikipedia. Then it gets interesting.
>>>
>>> Notice that Kirkpatrick Sale, TRP's old buddy is quoted about Carl's
>>> famous anti-
>>> war speech in late November 1965. Means he was there. We know TRP later
>>> has a letter about not attending another one but one wonders if he was
>>> at this one.
>>> Close to Sales then, publishing recently in mainstream stuff--SEPost and
>>> NYTimes Mag soon after because Sales. And writing and publishing Lot 49.
>>>
>>> But even more interesting to me. Look at the way Carl's blend of
>>> political ideas
>>> differs from standard SDS, new Left thinking. (He was to be driven out
>>> of a
>>> leadership position because he would not track standard Marxist--Leninist
>>> Left notions, this sez.) ...Now, a PS first: who else's social critiques
>>> as we pick
>>> them out in our reading aren't standard Marxist?-- as we've said here.
>>> (This is only associative non-logic I know but keep following the
>>> bouncing ball).
>>>
>>> Speculate with me more: as outlined here, Carl's eclectic mix of ideas--
>>> might remind of emblematic scenes from Lot 49??...the Young Americans
>>> for Freedom,
>>> Oedipa's present; libertarianism = cousin of anarchism in that work; the
>>> scene
>>> about having one's ideas corporatized in Lot 49; Carl's strong
>>> anti-bureaucracy strain,--
>>> (Heavy in GR, of course) The John Birch Society nod in Lot 49-as nod to
>>> freedom.
>>> And more.
>>>  "in a strong sense, the Old Right
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Right_(United_States)> and the New
>>> Left <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left> are morally and
>>> politically coordinate":[5]
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Oglesby#cite_note-5>
>>> I suggest there is OLD RIGHT in Lot 49 under political lensing.
>>>
>>> And remember decades later in the Slow Learner introduction how TRP said
>>> the New Left
>>> failed to connect with real worker's concerns so failed.
>>>
>>> Bet they all thought it out together, separately, TRP and Kirkpatrick
>>> closest thinking partners
>>> then....
>>>
>>> Why is this book OP?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e_-FeN3GSFM/TYp3fVfrrZI/AAAAAAAAAHk/iKNxRJs4rW0/s1600/YankeeCowboyWar.jpg>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *KONSPIRACY KLASSICS CORNER!*
>>>>
>>>> *THE YANKEE AND COWBOY WAR*
>>>>
>>>> *The Astonishing Link between the JFK Assassination and the deposing of
>>>> Nixon *
>>>>
>>>> *Conspiracies from Dallas to Watergate and Beyond*
>>>>
>>>> *by Carl Oglesby*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A few years back, a friend loaned me his copy of *Carl Oglesby*'s *The
>>>> Yankee and Cowboy War*, and after reading it I was stunned that I had
>>>> previously neither read it nor even heard about it. I found it both moving
>>>> and profoundly impressive. In his masterful dissection of the mid-70's
>>>> American political milieu, Oglesby gives us nothing less than an absolutely
>>>> convincing operating model of the forces clashing behind the scenes in
>>>> post-World War II America, as well as a detailed diagnosis of exactly where
>>>> and why things went terribly wrong. He presents valuable ideas that have
>>>> found their way into the works of later authors, most notably *Sidney
>>>> Blumenthal*, whose 1986 best-seller *The Rise of the
>>>> Counter-Establishment* reads almost like a sequel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe The Yankee Cowboy War is essential reading for anyone
>>>> searching for honest answers about the origins of our current condition.
>>>> Unfortunately, the book is long out of print. I also understand that most
>>>> of you reading this are busy people who don't have time to read every
>>>> worthy book that there is to read. Therefore, I have decided to use this
>>>> space to publish my "reading notes", taken during my second reading, so
>>>> that interested parties can get the gist of the book's main theses, the
>>>> numerous topics it covers, as well as the individuals and events discussed
>>>> in it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will be posting these reading notes periodically over the next few
>>>> days. Obviously, this is a poor substitute for reading the book, itself,
>>>> but it's a decent primer, and for the researcher in a hurry, it should do
>>>> in a pinch. Watch for further installments, coming soon!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *PART ONE: THE CLANDESTINE ELITES*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · *Watergate* and the *JFK* assassination were not isolated incidents,
>>>> but linked parts of a secret war between two American Elites: the
>>>> *Yankees* (Eastern Establishment) and the *Cowboys* (Sunbelt, New
>>>> Money, Counter-Establishment).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · A hidden drama of coup and counter-coup, intrinsically linked
>>>> conspiracies, inner oligarchic power sphere, invisible gov’t, above the
>>>> law, beyond moral rule… a clandestine American state, embryonic police
>>>> state.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · *Operation Garden Plot*, *COINTELPRO*, *Operation Chaos*.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · *CIA* contracting *ITT* to oust *Allende* in Chile is an example of
>>>> ruthlessness, just like crimes and cover-up at Dealy Plaza and the
>>>> Watergate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · What are the origins of these internal government divisions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. CIA intel division vs. CIA operational division.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Pentagon vs. FBI
>>>>
>>>> 3. CIA vs. Pentagon
>>>>
>>>> 4. CIA vs. FBI
>>>>
>>>> 5. POTUS and all of the above
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · Destabilization of the post-Reconstruction unity, which, in turn, was
>>>> made stronger by *FDR* in the WWII period (post-war consensus). 60’s,
>>>> 70’s tumult.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · The intensification of clandestine, illicit measures against racial
>>>> and anti-war dissent coincided with the use of these methods within the
>>>> state as post-war consensus failed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · Dallas/Watergate: breakdown of the incumbent national coalition…
>>>> Greater Northeast powers with the greater Southwest powers, the post-Civil
>>>> War, post-Reconstruction coalition, the New Deal, the Yankees and Cowboys.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · Cold War tensions between two separate and distinct and contradictory
>>>> domains of World Historical Truth: Northeast “détente” and Southwest
>>>> “militarism”.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · In Europe, we could evidently live with communism, whereas in the
>>>> Third World, we evidently could not. “Spheres of “détente and violence”… an
>>>> untenable paradox.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · When it became clear that the USA couldn’t win militarily in the
>>>> Third World without risking war in the North Atlantic, consensus dissolved.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · Dallas, Nov 22, was an elite power collision, both sensed and real.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · Dichotomous Disunity: The Southwest was pro-escalation, on balance,
>>>> Frontierist, taking the China-lobby position.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · Dichotomous Disunity: The Northeast was pro-pullback, on balance,
>>>> Atlanticist, CFR, NATO-conscious position.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · YANKEES:
>>>>
>>>> 1. David Rockefeller
>>>>
>>>> 2. Ivy League
>>>>
>>>> 3. Exclusive clubs of Manhattan, Boston and Georgetown
>>>>
>>>> 4. CFR, Round Table
>>>>
>>>> 5. Eleanor Roosevelt
>>>>
>>>> 6. The Dulles Brothers
>>>>
>>>> 7. Massive Retaliation Doctrine
>>>>
>>>> 8. The Kennedys
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · COWBOYS:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Howard Hughes
>>>>
>>>> 2. NFL
>>>>
>>>> 3. Exclusive clubs of New Orleans, Dallas and Orange County (both sides)
>>>>
>>>> 4. LBJ
>>>>
>>>> 5. Conally and Hunt
>>>>
>>>> 6. Bay of Pigs team
>>>>
>>>> 7. Nixon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · The persistence of Civil War splits in the current situation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · *Carroll Quigley* had already talked of these themes before Oglesby
>>>> in his *Tragedy and Hope*.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · Disintegration of Wall Street influence as the Southwest and Far West
>>>> influence increase, commensurate with a dissolving of the Middle Class and
>>>> a rise in bourgeoisie.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · Northeast Establishment: Semi-aristocratic.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · Southwest Counter-Establishment: Petit Bourgeois.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · Southwestern money was dependent on government investment: oil,
>>>> military, aviation, space, natural resources. This is a paradox.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · Oglesby argues that the Atlanticist / Frontierist split is primal,
>>>> and that it runs under everything… 1960.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · YANKEE:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Global Scope
>>>>
>>>> 2. At home in the Great World
>>>>
>>>> 3. Regards it as a whole, in context
>>>>
>>>> 4. Good World Order = Relations with allies
>>>>
>>>> 5. Relations with Western Democracies
>>>>
>>>> 6. USA seen as a continuation of Europe’s culture
>>>>
>>>> 7. Europe as key world theater
>>>>
>>>> 8. Fate of USA linked with Europe
>>>>
>>>> 9. White cultural destiny transcending boundaries of nation
>>>>
>>>> 10. The West = One World
>>>>
>>>> 11. Monopolists who broke faith with the Vietnam project because of the
>>>> high probability of failure
>>>>
>>>> 12. Monopolist East Coast Establishment
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · COWBOY:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Ties to Europe NOT obvious
>>>>
>>>> 2. Old World vs. New World
>>>>
>>>> 3. Rejects Atlanticism in favor of Frontierism
>>>>
>>>> 4. Expanding wilderness frontier and “Pacific strategy”
>>>>
>>>> 5. Cowboy entrepreneurs fought to keep faith alive because of the
>>>> necessity of success
>>>>
>>>> 6. Tycoon (Western)
>>>>
>>>> 7. They supported *Johnson* and *Nixon* all the way towards a final
>>>> military solution
>>>>
>>>> 8. “Only the strong survive”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · What were the roots of the union in the first place? The
>>>> frontier which allowed for the continued emergence of  entrepreneurs long
>>>> after the establishment of the first monopolies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · Marx never studied states that had so much frontier.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · The frontier was a reprieve for democracy… and capitalism! All it
>>>> took was genocide.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · Energies of expansion took two centuries… finally taking Alaska and
>>>> Hawaii. We have no way of knowing how important this expansionism was in
>>>> keeping the natural American Cowboy/Yankee divide under control.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · The success of various Asian revolutionary movements proved a
>>>> perplexing dilemma to the USA. With Asians successfully defending
>>>> themselves as self-modernizing, post-colonial entities against American
>>>> influence, America had run out of frontier.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · To comprehend the assassination of JFK (as with Lincoln) is to
>>>> understand a basic event in modern government. It’s a necessity to
>>>> understand… an “absolute pre-condition” to self-government, the first step
>>>> towards the restoration of a legitimate state.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> · Today’s frontier is the fact that there is no more frontier.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *PART TWO COMING SOON!*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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