BE -- "death wish for the planet" why the internet?

[Keith Davis]

About the conspiracies, after all this time, no one knows (?) who pulled
the trigger(s) on JFK. That's a pretty effective cover-up.

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> But, as TE and JT say above, there are all of these unanswered questions.
> Agree also about the tone of the description surrounding the events. He's
> not offering answers or opinions, but posing questions, without asking them
> outright.
>
> Just finished the Oglesby book and now into the Douglass book. Everything
> is a conspiracy, just matters what side or sides of it you're on.
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 9:39 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "In organized crime a very simple priciple is at work and is very
>> effective: bind members to an oath of secrecy, make their membership pay,
>> kill anyone and their families who squeal."
>>
>> Like I said, "vast numbers of conspirators are bound to fall apart.
>> Either kill all who know the conspiracy, or pay them lavishly until they
>> die on their own."
>>
>> BTW, the mafia isn't exactly a secret.  And their internal discipline
>> isn't exactly steel-clad.
>>
>> "Gary Webb exposing CIA agents"
>> "Ed Snowden is another example"
>>
>> Good examples of why vast conspiracies will always fail.
>>
>> David Morris
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I do not consider this a very good argument.  The whole world of
>>> organized criminal activity would be in trouble if it were.  I think there
>>> are several examples of large scale conspiracies that went virtually
>>> un-noticed by the rest of the world, the mass killing in the Nazi holocaust
>>> is a powerful example. It shows 3 things about conspiracies: 1) what the
>>> newspapers don’t report is not considered real and this means no outrage,
>>> no response 2) even  victims or an opposing army might have reasons or
>>> might be coerced to keep silence. 3) ordinary people who witness such
>>> things will often be ignored as unreliable, or lack the courage to risk
>>> speaking out.
>>>   The people directly involved in this massive conspiracy were no
>>> different than American Skull and Bones or CIA or racist pricks or the
>>> servicemen who committed atrocities in Vietnam.  Hannah Arendt’s studies
>>> provide persuasive evidence that huge numbers may be recruited into
>>> murderous behavior  when it becomes the fundamental policy of the state and
>>> that behavior is perceived as a combination of self interest and duty.
>>>   In organized crime a very simple priciple is at work and is very
>>> effective: bind members to an oath of secrecy, make their membership pay,
>>> kill anyone and their families who squeal.
>>>    A more recent example is the case of Gary Webb exposing CIA agents in
>>> an ongoing criminal conspiracy to fund Contras by drug traffic in black
>>> neighborhoods .  He worked for a reputable newspaper, his facts were well
>>> supported, he was right as the CIA quietly admitted later, but the NY Times
>>> and other media kings didn’t like the story precisely because it smacked of
>>> loony conspiracy theories. They effectively crushed him.  Neither the CIA
>>> or its agents were ever punished.
>>>   Ed Snowden is another example. If not for him we would not have any
>>> kind of accurate picture of the extent of NSA surveillance. People who are
>>> willing to risk exile and death are actually pretty rare which is obvious
>>> since this agency has thousands of employees who knew what Snowden knew.
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Mar 9, 2016, at 2:28 AM, Thomas Eckhardt <
>>> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Am 08.03.2016 um 23:39 schrieb David Morris:
>>> >> Thomas Eckhardt said (re. logistics of controlled 9-11
>>> >> demolition: "Apart from the logistical difficulties such a task would
>>> >> pose, there would have to be many people involved."
>>> >>
>>> >> For me this is another reason vast conspiracy theories are hard to
>>> >> believe: vast numbers of conspirators are bound to fall apart. Either
>>> >> kill all who know the conspiracy, or pay them lavishly until they die
>>> on
>>> >> their own.
>>> >
>>> > Ernie addresses this point:
>>> >
>>> > "The chief argument against conspiracy theories is always that it
>>> would take too many people in on it, and somebody's sure to squeal. But
>>> look at the U.S. security apparatus, these guys are WASPs, Mormons, Skull
>>> and bones, secretive by nature. Trained, sometimes since birth, never to
>>> run  off at the mouth. If discipline exists anywhere, it's among them. So
>>> of course it's possible." BE, 325.
>>> >
>>> > I don't buy this. There are not that many people ruthless enough to
>>> commit a crime like that IMO, Skull and Bones or not. For controlled
>>> demolition, furthermore, you would need "mechanics" -- demolition experts
>>> and the persons actually placing explosives.
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>>
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