BE -- "death wish for the planet" why the internet?

[Ray Easton]

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On March 11, 2016 9:05:31 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> How do you know that you don't know?
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> About the conspiracies, after all this time, no one knows (?) who pulled
>> the trigger(s) on JFK. That's a pretty effective cover-up.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But, as TE and JT say above, there are all of these unanswered questions.
>>> Agree also about the tone of the description surrounding the events. He's
>>> not offering answers or opinions, but posing questions, without asking them
>>> outright.
>>>
>>> Just finished the Oglesby book and now into the Douglass book. Everything
>>> is a conspiracy, just matters what side or sides of it you're on.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 9:39 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "In organized crime a very simple priciple is at work and is very
>>>> effective: bind members to an oath of secrecy, make their membership pay,
>>>> kill anyone and their families who squeal."
>>>>
>>>> Like I said, "vast numbers of conspirators are bound to fall apart.
>>>> Either kill all who know the conspiracy, or pay them lavishly until
>>>> they die on their own."
>>>>
>>>> BTW, the mafia isn't exactly a secret.  And their internal discipline
>>>> isn't exactly steel-clad.
>>>>
>>>> "Gary Webb exposing CIA agents"
>>>> "Ed Snowden is another example"
>>>>
>>>> Good examples of why vast conspiracies will always fail.
>>>>
>>>> David Morris
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I do not consider this a very good argument.  The whole world of
>>>>> organized criminal activity would be in trouble if it were.  I think there
>>>>> are several examples of large scale conspiracies that went virtually
>>>>> un-noticed by the rest of the world, the mass killing in the Nazi holocaust
>>>>> is a powerful example. It shows 3 things about conspiracies: 1) what the
>>>>> newspapers don’t report is not considered real and this means no outrage,
>>>>> no response 2) even  victims or an opposing army might have reasons or
>>>>> might be coerced to keep silence. 3) ordinary people who witness such
>>>>> things will often be ignored as unreliable, or lack the courage to risk
>>>>> speaking out.
>>>>>   The people directly involved in this massive conspiracy were no
>>>>> different than American Skull and Bones or CIA or racist pricks or the
>>>>> servicemen who committed atrocities in Vietnam.  Hannah Arendt’s studies
>>>>> provide persuasive evidence that huge numbers may be recruited into
>>>>> murderous behavior  when it becomes the fundamental policy of the state and
>>>>> that behavior is perceived as a combination of self interest and duty.
>>>>>   In organized crime a very simple priciple is at work and is very
>>>>> effective: bind members to an oath of secrecy, make their membership pay,
>>>>> kill anyone and their families who squeal.
>>>>>    A more recent example is the case of Gary Webb exposing CIA agents
>>>>> in an ongoing criminal conspiracy to fund Contras by drug traffic in black
>>>>> neighborhoods .  He worked for a reputable newspaper, his facts were well
>>>>> supported, he was right as the CIA quietly admitted later, but the NY Times
>>>>> and other media kings didn’t like the story precisely because it smacked of
>>>>> loony conspiracy theories. They effectively crushed him.  Neither the CIA
>>>>> or its agents were ever punished.
>>>>>   Ed Snowden is another example. If not for him we would not have any
>>>>> kind of accurate picture of the extent of NSA surveillance. People who are
>>>>> willing to risk exile and death are actually pretty rare which is obvious
>>>>> since this agency has thousands of employees who knew what Snowden knew.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Mar 9, 2016, at 2:28 AM, Thomas Eckhardt <
>>>>> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Am 08.03.2016 um 23:39 schrieb David Morris:
>>>>> >> Thomas Eckhardt said (re. logistics of controlled 9-11
>>>>> >> demolition: "Apart from the logistical difficulties such a task would
>>>>> >> pose, there would have to be many people involved."
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> For me this is another reason vast conspiracy theories are hard to
>>>>> >> believe: vast numbers of conspirators are bound to fall apart. Either
>>>>> >> kill all who know the conspiracy, or pay them lavishly until they
>>>>> die on
>>>>> >> their own.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Ernie addresses this point:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "The chief argument against conspiracy theories is always that it
>>>>> would take too many people in on it, and somebody's sure to squeal. But
>>>>> look at the U.S. security apparatus, these guys are WASPs, Mormons, Skull
>>>>> and bones, secretive by nature. Trained, sometimes since birth, never to
>>>>> run  off at the mouth. If discipline exists anywhere, it's among them. So
>>>>> of course it's possible." BE, 325.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I don't buy this. There are not that many people ruthless enough to
>>>>> commit a crime like that IMO, Skull and Bones or not. For controlled
>>>>> demolition, furthermore, you would need "mechanics" -- demolition experts
>>>>> and the persons actually placing explosives.
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