Whose dream is it?

[Mark Kohut]

Then “a poising”. “second sheep, all out of luck and time”....three uses of

poise in first 20-22 pages….

That rocket is poised above…..one section enacts the ending in miniature.


On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 6:30 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> if this opening is best seen as a dream, or dream-like, then I might see
> it as a filmic 'dream", that is,
> we get words to the effect throughout GR that this is all unfolding like a
> film and we know NOW the ending
> which might, Finnegan's Wake-like, riverrun us back to the beginning, so
> to speak.
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> We don't know this as we start, as Monte sez, but there is something
> real/reel yet set off against the really real--
> when Pirate gets up 'his skull feeling made of metal". This suggests to me
> that Pirate is getting 'dreamed' too.
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> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 12:53 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
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>> Crazy thoughts as we start
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>> Is Pirate in Slothrop's dream?  Whose dream/nightmare is it?  What is the
>> connection of this dream to time, to Dante’s vision, to the holocaust, to
>> Von Braun quote, to enzian’s rocket lost in time? To Joyc’s circular time?
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>> Slothrop - Thomas  Ruggles Pynchon -   Porthos +L  Pynchon likes boys
>> adventure fiction Porthos sounds like pork and port he liked food, wine, he
>> was portly but bold .The added L moves Porthos from the heroic to the lazy,
>> slothful. Protagonist from subject to object.
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>> Porthos takes my thoughts to -The man in the Iron Mask- ( no one ever
>> saw his face because it was hidden by a mask of black velvet cloth.)(
>> Wikipedia) Iron appears often in the first pages of Beyond the Zero
>> along with velvet: “Above him lift girders old as an iron queen”  the lost
>> souls in the iron train, “velvet black surfaces contain the movement:” “It
>> is some vast, very old and dark hotel, an iron extension of the track ”“the
>> evacuees are taken in lots, by elevator—a moving wood scaffold open on all
>> sides, hoisted by old tarry ropes and cast-iron pulleys whose spokes are
>> shaped like Ss. ”“His name is Capt. Geoffrey (“Pirate”) Prentice... His
>> skull feels made of metal.”
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>> Later in the novels others are contained in steel rockets/bombs as a
>> result of insatiable lust both for revenge and submission.
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