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[ish mailian]

As in Mumford, who has the skills of a novelist, the imagery works as
it does in Adams, who also has the skills of a novelist, as history
and tone.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:43 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
> As in Dickens the imagery is violent and dark and grim, and yet, like
> Dickens, a satirist who is more comic than corrective, Pynchon's grim
> humor (I guess we can't say Black Humor any longer) is essential, a
> rhetorical strategy that he will never relinquish though his critics
> find it either too hysterical and juvenile or too punny for its won
> good.
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:39 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Doesn't this opening remind anyone of the opening to Chapter Two of
>> _Against The Day_?
>>
>> The imagery in _AGTD_ may be a poaching parody, of Upton Sinclair and
>> others of the period, as McHale argues, and following that analysis we
>> should look for film parody and poach here, but here in this opening
>> of GR,  I am inclined to read this opening a not a parody or a poach,
>> but as the imagination of a writer who has been influenced, as
>> critical studies argue, by everyone and everything, but who has hit
>> his stride and is writing in a style that is rightfully and especially
>> his own. The anxiety of influence, so glaring in all previous works is
>> ground to dust. Though Mumford and Dickens and Orwell echo here, in
>> the imagery, Pynchon has a style all his own and what a style it is.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Ray Easton
>> <raymond.lee.easton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I loathe statements about literature of the form "it feels to me like..."  (
>>> pace, Mark -- not aiming at you, but only at myself! ), but I do have to say
>>> that some of what follows after the dream "feels to me like" the beginning
>>> of Ulysses.  Felt so my first reading and has every time since.
>>>
>>> I cannot figure out why, though -- and the why is what matters.
>>>
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>>> On March 16, 2016 6:37:02 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Distinct feeling of Mulligan at Ulysses opening now that you mention it.
>>>> Wholly changed but in comic tone and meaning
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 4:02 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And the first rebirth is a Pirate, followed by Bloat.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> “There are proceedings of such a delicate nature that it is well to
>>>>> overwhelm them with coarseness and make them unrecognisable; there are
>>>>> actions of love and of extravagant magnanimity after which nothing can be
>>>>> wiser than to take a stick and thrash the witness soundly…“ Nietzsche, BG&E,
>>>>> 29.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And what is Pirate‘s relation to Buck Mulligan and Stephen Dedalus,
>>>>> anyway?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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