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[Joseph Tracy]

agree again. same impression of similarity to 1984 particularly.
> On Mar 16, 2016, at 9:50 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Orwell, some say he hasn't the skill of a novelist, is here too. Not
> that the politics of the imagery is that obvious or flat, as in
> Orwell's _1984_, but the paranoia of a State that has an iron hand and
> squeezes the lead into the population as it crams them into a box car
> of death and suffocating emergency is there.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:46 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> As in Mumford, who has the skills of a novelist, the imagery works as
>> it does in Adams, who also has the skills of a novelist, as history
>> and tone.
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:43 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> As in Dickens the imagery is violent and dark and grim, and yet, like
>>> Dickens, a satirist who is more comic than corrective, Pynchon's grim
>>> humor (I guess we can't say Black Humor any longer) is essential, a
>>> rhetorical strategy that he will never relinquish though his critics
>>> find it either too hysterical and juvenile or too punny for its won
>>> good.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:39 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Doesn't this opening remind anyone of the opening to Chapter Two of
>>>> _Against The Day_?
>>>> 
>>>> The imagery in _AGTD_ may be a poaching parody, of Upton Sinclair and
>>>> others of the period, as McHale argues, and following that analysis we
>>>> should look for film parody and poach here, but here in this opening
>>>> of GR,  I am inclined to read this opening a not a parody or a poach,
>>>> but as the imagination of a writer who has been influenced, as
>>>> critical studies argue, by everyone and everything, but who has hit
>>>> his stride and is writing in a style that is rightfully and especially
>>>> his own. The anxiety of influence, so glaring in all previous works is
>>>> ground to dust. Though Mumford and Dickens and Orwell echo here, in
>>>> the imagery, Pynchon has a style all his own and what a style it is.
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Ray Easton
>>>> <raymond.lee.easton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I loathe statements about literature of the form "it feels to me like..."  (
>>>>> pace, Mark -- not aiming at you, but only at myself! ), but I do have to say
>>>>> that some of what follows after the dream "feels to me like" the beginning
>>>>> of Ulysses.  Felt so my first reading and has every time since.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I cannot figure out why, though -- and the why is what matters.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> On March 16, 2016 6:37:02 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Distinct feeling of Mulligan at Ulysses opening now that you mention it.
>>>>>> Wholly changed but in comic tone and meaning
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 4:02 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And the first rebirth is a Pirate, followed by Bloat.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> “There are proceedings of such a delicate nature that it is well to
>>>>>>> overwhelm them with coarseness and make them unrecognisable; there are
>>>>>>> actions of love and of extravagant magnanimity after which nothing can be
>>>>>>> wiser than to take a stick and thrash the witness soundly…“ Nietzsche, BG&E,
>>>>>>> 29.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And what is Pirate‘s relation to Buck Mulligan and Stephen Dedalus,
>>>>>>> anyway?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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