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[Ian Livingston]

D'oh, Sorry Jochen, but I have to own the typos. My very bad. I was having
troubles with my computer's screen at the time and failed to properly proof
what I had transcribed literally in the dark after the screen revived.

Digging the associations, though.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> Nicely argued.
> > On Mar 16, 2016, at 9:39 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Doesn't this opening remind anyone of the opening to Chapter Two of
> > _Against The Day_?
> >
> > The imagery in _AGTD_ may be a poaching parody, of Upton Sinclair and
> > others of the period, as McHale argues, and following that analysis we
> > should look for film parody and poach here, but here in this opening
> > of GR,  I am inclined to read this opening a not a parody or a poach,
> > but as the imagination of a writer who has been influenced, as
> > critical studies argue, by everyone and everything, but who has hit
> > his stride and is writing in a style that is rightfully and especially
> > his own. The anxiety of influence, so glaring in all previous works is
> > ground to dust. Though Mumford and Dickens and Orwell echo here, in
> > the imagery, Pynchon has a style all his own and what a style it is.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Ray Easton
> > <raymond.lee.easton at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I loathe statements about literature of the form "it feels to me
> like..."  (
> >> pace, Mark -- not aiming at you, but only at myself! ), but I do have
> to say
> >> that some of what follows after the dream "feels to me like" the
> beginning
> >> of Ulysses.  Felt so my first reading and has every time since.
> >>
> >> I cannot figure out why, though -- and the why is what matters.
> >>
> >> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> >> http://www.aqua-mail.com
> >>
> >> On March 16, 2016 6:37:02 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Distinct feeling of Mulligan at Ulysses opening now that you mention
> it.
> >>> Wholly changed but in comic tone and meaning
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 4:02 AM, Ian Livingston <
> igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> And the first rebirth is a Pirate, followed by Bloat.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> “There are proceedings of such a delicate nature that it is well to
> >>>> overwhelm them with coarseness and make them unrecognisable; there are
> >>>> actions of love and of extravagant magnanimity after which nothing
> can be
> >>>> wiser than to take a stick and thrash the witness soundly…“
> Nietzsche, BG&E,
> >>>> 29.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> And what is Pirate‘s relation to Buck Mulligan and Stephen Dedalus,
> >>>> anyway?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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