BtZ: Pirate//Brown on Fantasy

[ish mailian]

 Just happens to be the one I have at hand. It's not much different
from what was posted in the PDF.

Those interested in reading, re-reading what Monte posted on Pirate
can find it in

Gravity's Rainbow, Domination, and Freedom

By Luc Herman, Steven C. Weisenburger

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you--does anyone--recommend a particular translation of that volume?
>
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:06 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That is the one. Not exactly the copy I have but close enough and
>> thanks for sending it.
>>
>> In the same volume is Freud's essay on the Uncanny.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Do you mean this: http://users.uoa.gr/~cdokou/FreudCreativeWriters.pdf?
>> >
>> > 2016-03-26 17:17 GMT+01:00 ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >>  In _On Creativity and the Unconscious_ Freud, in the short essay,
>> >> "The Relation of the Poet to Day-Dreaming (1908), contrasts the
>> >> phantasies of children, who daydream of being grown up, play at what
>> >> they view it is like to live in the world of adults, and  have no
>> >> inhibitions, no shame in it, don't conceal this play, with the adults
>> >> on the other hand, who must hide play, fantasy, though they know that
>> >> all adults, to some extent must also day dream and have fantasies, for
>> >> they know too that what the fancy  is  not only often prohibited but
>> >> also that dreaming of it, playing at it, is the work or play of
>> >> children.
>> >>
>> >> It's a fascinating essay.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry I can't find a copy online.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Noting some things in Life Against Death and GR that seem related (at
>> >> > least,
>> >> > they made me think of one another in rereading)., especially as we
>> >> > start
>> >> > looking at Pirate and his gift more.
>> >> >
>> >> > Brown (I mean you could pull ten relevant sentences out of any page
>> >> > in
>> >> > this
>> >> > book, so this is sort of arbitrary) says, pp 162-3 of my paperback of
>> >> > Life
>> >> > Against Death:
>> >> >
>> >> > "The regressive orientation keeps not only our moral personality
>> >> > (character,
>> >> > conscience) in bondage to the past, but also our cognitive
>> >> > faculty--in
>> >> > Freudian terminology, the ego's function of testing reality. The
>> >> > human
>> >> > ego,
>> >> > in its cognitive function, is no transparent mirror transmitting the
>> >> > reality-principle to the id; it has a more active, and distorting,
>> >> > role
>> >> > consequent to upon its incapacity to bear the reality of life in the
>> >> > present. The starting point for the human form of cognitive activity
>> >> > is
>> >> > loss
>> >> > of a loved reality."
>> >> >
>> >> > 163: "the ego does not abolish the pleasure-principle, but derives
>> >> > from
>> >> > it
>> >> > the energy sustaining its exploration of reality."
>> >> >
>> >> > "Hence also human consciousness is inseparable from an active attempt
>> >> > to
>> >> > alter reality, so as to 'regain the lost objects.'"
>> >> >
>> >> > "The more specific and concrete mechanism whereby the body-ego
>> >> > becomes a
>> >> > soul is fantasy. Fantasy may be defined as a hallucination which
>> >> > cathects
>> >> > the memory of gratification.; it is of the same structure as the
>> >> > dream,
>> >> > and
>> >> > has the same relation to the id and to instinctual reality as the
>> >> > dream."
>> >> >
>> >> > 164 "Identifications as modes of installing the Other inside the Self
>> >> > are
>> >> > fantasies."
>> >> >
>> >> > "Fantasy, according to The Interpretation of Dreams, is the product
>> >> > of
>> >> > the
>> >> > primary process, the human organism's first solution to the problem
>> >> > of
>> >> > frustration."
>> >> >
>> >> > Quoting Isaacs: "reality-thinking cannot operate without concurrent
>> >> > and
>> >> > supporting unconscious phantasies."
>> >> >
>> >> > 171: "Projections, with their fetishistic displacement of inner
>> >> > fantasies,
>> >> > must distort the external world."
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > GR p. 12: "You can't run a war on gusts of emotion."
>> >> >
>> >> > GR p. 31: "All these things arise from one difficulty: control[...]
>> >> > The
>> >> > control is put inside. No more need to suffer passively under
>> >> > 'outside
>> >> > forces'--to veer into any wind."
>> >> >
>> >> > p. 36: "Incredible black-and-white Scorpia confirmed not a few
>> >> > Piratical
>> >> > fantasies about the glamorous silken-calved English realworld he'd
>> >> > felt
>> >> > so
>> >> > shut away from."
>> >> >
>> >> > p. 36 "[...]Scorpia figured as his Last Fling--though herself too
>> >> > young
>> >> > to
>> >> > know that, to know, like Pirate, what the lyrics to "Dancing in the
>> >> > Dark"
>> >> > are really about...
>> >> >
>> >> > "He will be scrupulous about never telling her. But there are times
>> >> > when
>> >> > it's agony not to go to her feet, knowing she won't leave Clive,
>> >> > crying
>> >> > you're my last chance...if it can't be you then there's no more
>> >> > time....Doesn't he wish, against all hope, that he could let the
>> >> > poor,
>> >> > Western-man's timetable go...but how does a man...where does he even
>> >> > begin,
>> >> > at age 33...."
>> >> >
>> >> > p. 37 "Yes he is waiting, to see if it will end for Roger the same
>> >> > way,
>> >> > part
>> >> > of him, never so cheery as at the spectacle of another's misfortune,
>> >> > rooting
>> >> > for Beaver and all that he, like Clive, stands for, to win out. But
>> >> > another
>> >> > part--an alternate self?--one that he mustn't be quick to call
>> >> > 'decent'--does seem to want for Roger what Pirate himself lost...."
>> >> >
>> >> > p. 37 "'You are a pirate,' she'd whispered the last day--neither of
>> >> > them
>> >> > knew it was the last day--'you've come and taken me off on your
>> >> > pirate
>> >> > ship.
>> >> > A girl of good family and the usual repressions. You've raped me. And
>> >> > I'm
>> >> > the Red Bitch of the High Seas....' A lovely game. Pirate wished
>> >> > she'd
>> >> > thought it up sooner. Fucking the last (already the last) day's light
>> >> > away
>> >> > down afternoon to dusk, hours of fucking, too in love with it to
>> >> > uncouple,
>> >> > they noticed how the borrowed room rocked gently, the ceiling
>> >> > obligingly
>> >> > came down a foot, lamps swayed from their fittings, some fraction of
>> >> > the
>> >> > Thameside traffic provided salty cries over the water, and nautical
>> >> > bells....
>> >> >
>> >> > "But back over their lowering sky-sea behind, Government hounds were
>> >> > on
>> >> > the
>> >> > track--drawing closer, the cutters are coming, the cutters and the
>> >> > sleek
>> >> > hermaphrodites of the law, agents who, being old hands, will settle
>> >> > for
>> >> > her
>> >> > safe return, won't insist on his execution or capture. Their logic is
>> >> > sound:
>> >> > give him a bad enough wound and he'll come round, round to the ways
>> >> > of
>> >> > this
>> >> > hard-boiled old egg of world and timetables, cycling night to
>> >> > compromising
>> >> > night...."
>> >> >
>> >> > "Scorpia's talc-white face, through the last window, across the last
>> >> > gate,
>> >> > was a blow to his heart. A flurry of giggles and best wishes arose
>> >> > from
>> >> > the
>> >> > Wonder Midgets and their admirers. Well, though Pirate, guess I'll go
>> >> > back
>> >> > in the Army...."
>> >> >
>> >> > It sounds like an apocalyptic death-sex fantasy.
>> >> >
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