BtZ42 p.14 But the Firm is patient,

[Joseph Tracy]

Pretty sexist shit. Really Keynes knew of no women who made meaningful use of free time? 
> On Mar 27, 2016, at 7:31 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This is the Keynes essay NOB quotes at some length.
> 
> A key passage here:
> 
> Why, you may ask, is this so startling? It is startling because-if,
> instead of looking into the future, we look into the past-we find that
> the economic problem, the struggle for subsistence, always has been
> hitherto the primary, most pressing problem of the human race-not only
> of the human race, but of the whole of the biological kingdom from the
> beginnings of life in its most primitive forms. Thus we have been
> expressly evolved by nature-with all our impulses and deepest
> instincts-for the purpose of solving the economic problem. If the
> economic problem is solved, mankind will be deprived of its
> traditional purpose.
> 
> Will this be a benefit? If one believes at all in the real values of
> life, the prospect at least opens up the possibility of benefit. Yet I
> think with dread of the readjustment of the habits and instincts of
> the ordinary man, bred into him for countless generations, which he
> may be asked to discard within a few decades. To use the language of
> to-day-must we not expect a general “nervous breakdown”? We already
> have a little experience of what I mean -a nervous breakdown of the
> sort which is already common enough in England and the United States
> amongst the wives of the well-to-do classes, unfortunate women, many
> of them, who have been deprived by their wealth of their traditional
> tasks and occupations--who cannot find it sufficiently amusing, when
> deprived of the spur of economic necessity, to cook and clean and
> mend, yet are quite unable to find anything more amusing. To those who
> sweat for their daily bread leisure is a longed--for sweet-until they
> get it.
> 
> John Maynard Keynes, Economic Possibilities for our Grandchildren (1930)*
> 
> http://www.econ.yale.edu/smith/econ116a/keynes1.pdf
> 
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 7:05 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Good to look into that _Life Against Death_ by NOB on this.
>> 
>> The passages he quotes from Keynes are astounding.
>> 
>> The Liberation from Bondage, from Laboring is Dread (like the Dora
>> Slaves who find liberartion Dread)  But Brown, again, and we need to
>> read that  Freud essay on Day-Dreaming (thanks again for posting it)
>> rejects the fear of Bartleby and the Dora Slaves, for underneath the
>> habit of labor is the immortal instinct to play.
>> 
>> NOB also ties Mumford to Keynes and to Oedipa Mass, the dread of
>> Virginia Woolf's granddaughters in America,  and the manufactured
>> Feminist Mystic and the Mechanical Bride.
>> 
>> Great Source for P that NOB.
>> 
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 6:27 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> committed to the Long Run as They are.
>>> 
>>> "in the long run, we are all dead"....J.M Keynes
>>> 
>>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/05/07/keynes_in_the_long_run_we_are_all_dead.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Capitalizing Long Run here is a sure tipoff allusion, I would think. But we
>>> haven't yet
>>> talked about THAT quality of capitalization here, soon (enough) to ripen to
>>> THE style of Mason & Dixon.
>>> 
>>> We know easily why he does it with They and Them and The Firm, I think, but
>>> why are other
>>> terms chosen. [They and Them and The Firm get reified so abstractly but
>>> perfectly this way, right?]
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