A Provocative Question

Fri Nov 25 16:22:34 CST 2016

"More inclusive?" As opposed to Lillas complaint?:

"But when it came to life at home, she tended on the campaign trail to lose
that large vision and slip into the rhetoric of diversity, calling out
explicitly to African-American, Latino, L.G.B.T. and women voters at every
stop. This was a strategic mistake."

For Lilla, being "inclusive" means denying the existence of minorities.
 "Diversity" in Lilla's rhetoric means division, and thus betrays its
bias. That is the point of this blog post, which is quite clearly
displayed.  And I agree wholeheartedly.

David Morris

On Friday, November 25, 2016, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> From the first lines, this guy is off. The smartest, including
> Bernie, are not "throwing any of their constituencies" under
> The bus...THAT, first assumes his " constituent identity"
> Belief, second, the post/election strategy is to be more inclusive
> With policy and message and (maybe should be first) those thrown
> Under any metaphoric bus are the failed Dem strategists.
>
> I'm more with Bernie and Lilla( as I understand him) for the new
> Direction.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 25, 2016, at 10:08 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','fqmorris at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2016/11/post-identity-dumbassery.html
> Thursday, November 24, 2016
> Post-Identity Dumbassery
>
> <https://thomasnastcartoons.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/uncle-sams-thanksgiving-dinner-11-20-69.jpg>
> *Uncle Sam's Thanksgiving Dinner, Thomas Nast, 1869*
>
> Since the election we've had a whole bunch of pundits (and Bernie Sanders
> <http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/23/13715164/bernie-sanders-identity-politics-democrats-progressives>)
> blaming the result on "identity politics" and urging Democrats to throw
> their core constituencies under the bus. The worst of these may be this
> one
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/sunday/the-end-of-identity-liberalism.html?_r=0>,
> by a humanities professor named Mark Lilla:
>
> One of the many lessons of the recent presidential election campaign and
> its repugnant outcome is that the age of identity liberalism must be
> brought to an end. Hillary Clinton was at her best and most uplifting when
> she spoke about American interests in world affairs and how they relate to
> our understanding of democracy. But when it came to life at home, she
> tended on the campaign trail to lose that large vision and slip into the
> rhetoric of diversity, calling out explicitly to African-American, Latino,
> L.G.B.T. and women voters at every stop. This was a strategic mistake.
>
>
> He says "identity politics" have made liberals "narcissistically unaware
> of conditions outside their self-defined groups, and indifferent to the
> task of reaching out to Americans in every walk of life"--which is pretty
> hilarious because that description certainly applies to the willfully
> ignorant shitheads living in 95% white enclaves who wound up voting for
> Trump. His "post-identity liberalism" "would concentrate on widening its
> base by appealing to Americans as Americans and emphasizing the issues that
> affect a vast majority of them"--in other words, ignoring any issues that
> make white people uncomfortable. (*Ixnay on the Ackblay Iveslay
> Attersmay.*)
>
> About halfway through, we get to this passage that gives away the game:
>
> National politics in healthy periods is not about “difference,” it is
> about commonality. And it will be dominated by whoever best captures
> Americans’ imaginations about our shared destiny. Ronald Reagan did that
> very skillfully, whatever one may think of his vision. So did Bill Clinton,
> who took a page from Reagan’s playbook.
>
> You can take your "commonality" and shove it up your ass, dumbfuck. Reagan
> harped on "welfare queens
> <http://www.salon.com/2015/09/27/ronald_reagans_welfare_queen_myth_how_the_gipper_kickstarted_the_war_on_the_working_poor/>"
> and started his 1980 campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia,_Mississippi#Murders_of_three_civil_rights_workers> with
> a speech extolling "states' rights"
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan%27s_Neshoba_County_Fair_%22states%27_rights%22_speech>.
> Bill Clinton picked a fight
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_Souljah_moment> with a prominent
> hip-hop artist and executed a retarded black man
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Ray_Rector>. That's not rejecting
> "identity politics"; that's practicing *white* identity politics. (And
> yes, Clinton and Reagan differed in both magnitude and relative malignancy
> of their white identity politics. But they both practiced it.)
>
> And that's what Lilla is arguing for: white identity politics--a kinder
> gentler white identity politics, with, y'know, less cross-burning and shit.
> That's what all these critics of "identity politics" are arguing for,
> either explicitly (like Lilla) or implicitly.
>
>
> On Friday, November 25, 2016, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mark.kohut at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>>  i was reminded yesterday by David Kipen that Pynchon wrote of the
>> inability of the student (New) Left to connect with the working class in
>> the intro to SLOW LEARNER.
>> And this reminds me that it is still identity politics to think and say
>> 'white working class' as I and most are doing. Always respect Pynchon' s
>> precision, I repeat to myself.
>>
>> New relevant books: Strangers in their Own Land ( excerpts around), White
>> Trash and Hillbilly Elegy.
>>
>> I learned from a polling strategist that since race is ascertainable from
>> voting records, they report and the mainstream media simply uses "whites"
>> and "blacks" ( along with Hispanics and Others (say) in their reductionist
>> way, fostering the bad shit.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Thomas Eckhardt <
>> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Am 23.11.2016 um 20:48 schrieb kelber at mindspring.com:
>> >>
>> >> http://fortune.com/2016/11/11/trump-voters-lynn-nottage/
>> >
>> > Very interesting, thank you.
>> >
>> > I would like to learn more. Are there any other contemporary writers
>> addressing the situation of the working class in the US today? The impact
>> of the war on terror, the impact of globalisation?
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>
>
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