Bodhisattva, Karmic Shepard, part 1

[Bruno]

Consciousness and play... hmmm. Reminds of George H. Mead, a great
underrated sociologist. According to him, subjectivity is born through the
ability of consciousness to play with itself.

Interesting model, I used to associate the male concept with active, and
the female with passive. But it makes more sense the other way.

2017-04-10 20:25 GMT-05:00 David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>:

> OK, more metaphysical mind play:
>
> Why would perfection delve into imperfection?
>
> Talking Heads has an answer:  "Heaven is a place where nothing ever
> happens."
>
> Consciousness without play is as good as dead.  Thus the concept of Shiva
> (inert but limitless potential) and Shakti (limitless life creating energy,
> needing a space in which to play).
>
> In this model Shiva, the male, is passive, and Shakti, female, is active.
> This is the ancient Hindu model long before the later Yin/Yang model.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:17 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree that the question of WHY Maya isn't answerable.
>>
>> "Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing
>> formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"
>> Romans 9:20
>>
>> So one is only left to start with what IS, as you quote Wittgenstein.
>>
>> David Morris
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Bruno <bruno.laze at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry about that, I hit tab and then some other button (I hate that tab,
>> makes me lose so many e-mails). So:
>>
>> I see it as a lighthearted take on the question that Eastern or Western
>> religion cannot answer in satisfying way, and is so well put by
>> Wittgenstein in the Tractatus:
>> The Mystic about the world is not *how *it is, but *that *it is.
>> That story about one true Consciousness doesn't give a good answer on why
>> there is a Maya (our illusory world). Neither does Christianity: why did
>> good bother to create a world? If he was perfect, he wouldn't have to do
>> anything besides what he already was doing.
>>
>>
>> 2017-04-10 9:49 GMT-05:00 Bruno <bruno.laze at gmail.com>:
>>
>> I don't think that's postmodern; I see it as a lighthearted take on the
>> question that Eastern or Western religion can
>>
>> 2017-04-09 8:27 GMT-05:00 David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>:
>>
>> That last line was meant as a joke.
>>
>> The gist was a take on reality and experience.
>>
>> David Morris
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 6:36 AM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> fuck that. god has nothing to do with it. its just a handy metaphor for
>> displacing responsibility. comes to that it's me that pisses me off, not
>> god. i could be doing more to set my life right.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 9:34 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/history/b_fbodi.htm
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>> Many Eastern spiritual paths believe that all beings are ultimately not
>> separate individuals, but are instead eternal and recurring individual
>> manifestations of a single all-pervading creating Consciousness, both
>> creator and perceiver. In this schema Shakespeare was right: "All the
>> world's but a stage." Perceived reality is paper thin.  Real reality is a
>> unifying Consciousness that stages a play for itself.  Shiva and Shakti.
>> Underneath all perceived reality is the creator who is us, both Shiva and
>> Shakti, who are one.
>>
>> So, next is the Matrix-like concept that everything we see is an
>> illusion, a deception.  But in this case the deception is a state assumed
>> voluntary, like taking a drug.  In this matrix God has intentionally given
>> himself a Mickey to see if he can find his way back to himself. A perverse
>> god, willingly creating bad in order to experience it, which wouldn't be so
>> bad, except we are his vehicles of experience. Creation in this scenario is
>> a game God is playing with himself.  How postmodern is that?
>>
>> David Morris
>>
>> God pisse me off!
>>
>> David Morris
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