Into the Abyss

Sun Aug 13 22:07:26 CDT 2017

Yes to all that. But do you vote? Any active political stuff? Anything more
than words?

David Morris

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:37 PM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
wrote:

>             I wake early. Most days I’m up around 4 a.m. The air is fresh
> and cool in summer, there is little traffic on the roads, and even the
> animal world is relatively quiet during some phases of the moon. News
> doesn’t change much over the weekends because the people who write the news
> work Monday through Friday jobs, while those who make the news prosper by
> plotting their next image show during the news-quiet weekends. Anyway,
> those of us up at 4 a.m. on Sunday morning have better things to think
> about than what makes a splash in the cess-puddle of news.
>
>             I think about trauma and what makes a warrior culture, such
> as our own, tick. In other primitive cultures, the greatest warrior struts
> and vaunts his triumphs as the people adore him for his pride and ability.
> He has celebrity status and the lesser warriors try to emulate his behavior
> in anticipation that they, too, might become great warriors and prance
> before the adoring tribe. Such cultures celebrate the great warrior because
> he triumphs over lesser people. Yet, all the while, he is a great warrior
> only because his developmental trauma and ptsd make him hypervigilant and
> aggressive.
>
>             When I check the news, I see a primitive warrior culture with
> advanced technology, where even the weak warrior triumphs through his
> manipulation of the wares of sophisticated primitivism, and it makes me
> feel sick and weary. Our greatest potentials deliver our greatest ills.
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 6:55 PM, gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't think anyone knows what the answer is... There was innocent blood
>> shed and people injured, the incoherence of the moment, and the battle for
>> hearts and minds latter, the mentally deranged and black hearts of the body
>> politic... Fortunately, I don't think this was a victory for the Nazis, but
>> they'll be back... In Boston, no less...
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:40 PM, jesse gooch <jlguuch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I live in Charlottesville. I wasn’t there for the mess yesterday, but I
>>> was downtown this afternoon and it’s insane. There is a sniper posted
>>> across from city hall because of a press release that Richard Spencer
>>> wanted to give. He tried, but people just chanted the word “shame” over and
>>> over until he left. Also, the pavilion at the end of the outdoor mall is
>>> full of riot cops on standby, there are large, windowless DOC busses
>>> (usually used to transport inmates) parked in case they need to truck
>>> people off, and there are a lot of state police mean-mugging people and
>>> marching up and down the mall. They even cancelled the showing of Roman
>>> Holiday (obviously not that important, but still). One of my friends was
>>> nearly hit by that car and was, at 3 this afternoon, still visibly in shock.
>>>
>>> I’ve avoided this thing for a while. Partly because I don’t see the
>>> point in removing one statue of Robert E Lee from a town that is littered
>>> with monuments to slave owning politicians (not sure why they all get a
>>> pass and the guy that led armies to protect their interests needs to be
>>> removed), and partly because I’m on parole and don’t want to be sent back
>>> to prison for fighting with people over a statue that I don’t really think
>>> should be removed. After being down there and talking to some people that I
>>> know, I’m rethinking my lack of involvement. Sadly, in the end, the white
>>> supremacists were able to attract media attention that they absolutely
>>> love, and now there is a good reason for a heavier police presence. I’m not
>>> sure what the answer is.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2017, at 5:22 PM, gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Terrorism is tool used by different ideologies. I agree there are big
>>> similarities between our home grown extremists and those from the Middle
>>> East. What is weirder now, at least in US, is instead of the paramilitary
>>> backwoods extremist, a la Timothy McVeigh, where most everyone was
>>> universal in condemnation, now from certain administration officials on
>>> down, you have silence. There is no vigorous condemnation or disavowal.
>>>
>>> This event seems more organized and more media based. These guys aren't
>>> desperate. They want images to illustrate the intolerance and violence of
>>> protesters. I don't think they wanted any suicide bombers, or drivers. They
>>> wanted a fight. Then, say no one was injured or hurt, we would be bombarded
>>> of images of protesters of the left attacking these doe eyed college
>>> republicans... And I don't think it's a coincidence that these "riots" are
>>> taking place in college campuses... The have been on the Right's target
>>> list for a long time...
>>>
>>> There is something weirder going on here in the US...
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 4:55 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Umm, how does Alt-Reich murder by car differ from those recently also
>>>> murders by car by Muslims in Paris?
>>>> Nuance ain't necessary here.  White fear is just our US flavor.  They
>>>> are equally terrorists.
>>>>
>>>> These terrorists all fear extinction.  They know they are dying, and
>>>> that makes them frantic!
>>>>
>>>> David Morris
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:36 PM Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, Drudge IS Jewish, after all. So there must be at least a tiny
>>>>> speck of consciousness about this kind of stuff... race memory, if you
>>>>> will. At least enough to give him a frisson of uncanny, generational
>>>>> recognition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Re: the look and attire of the right-wing mob this time... on Twitter
>>>>> the self-described "scumbag left" (like the Chapo Trap House gang) are
>>>>> calling this "the Pussy Riot" and comedian Doug Stanhope has stepped
>>>>> up with a great solution for the next time there's a tiki
>>>>> torch-wielding bunch of Nazis marching through your town: water
>>>>> balloons filled with gasoline.
>>>>>
>>>>> The footage of that Nazi plowing through the crowd of peaceful
>>>>> protesters is harrowing and disgusting in its blatant, brazen
>>>>> cowardice.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I have to agree with you, Gary. Positive (by which I mean
>>>>> negative) reactions to this affront set aside for the moment, I do
>>>>> believe that the waters of the Rubicon are lapping at our collective
>>>>> toes. It's like the Powers That Be (or, in this case, the rogue Deep
>>>>> State faction that I've been calling the New Fascist International)
>>>>> have perfected some new form of brainwashing - a technique that leaves
>>>>> the subject/victim's mind not only altered, but booby-trapped against
>>>>> any and all attempts at reasoning with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Real journalism is "Fake News". Lies in the service of the Far Right
>>>>> agenda are Truth. BLM = KKK. Immigration = White Genocide.
>>>>>
>>>>> Booby-trapped brains. Impervious to reason, logic, or empirical
>>>>> evidence that contradicts their erroneous beliefs. And with every
>>>>> passing day, everywhere you look, there's more of these fuckers. For
>>>>> fuck's sake, they're working in the WHITE HOUSE.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are so royally screwed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerky
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 4:02 PM, gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > I don't know about the rest of the list but I've been unnaturally
>>>>> disturbed
>>>>> > about the events of Charlottesville. As an American, I suppose I
>>>>> should be
>>>>> > more cynical, and actually come to expect this sort of violence, but
>>>>> there
>>>>> > is something off. Looking at the pictures, these Unite the Right
>>>>> guys look
>>>>> > pretty unremarkable, like VCR repairman,not what I'd associate with
>>>>> > storm-trooper, AKA Puck Beaverton, the resemble Arendt's depiction of
>>>>> > Eichmann, not paramilitary types, which I've come to expect, but its
>>>>> > nonetheless remarkable in 2017, that the "Blood and Soil" movement
>>>>> nonsense
>>>>> > feels it can make a big PR-push into the mainstream.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I found the President's silence to be remarkable, and David Duke's
>>>>> tweet,
>>>>> > and this all goes back to that NRA video Jerky posted a while back, a
>>>>> > campaign is afoot to provoke and demonize the left, and that's what
>>>>> these
>>>>> > Alt-Right Nazis do, then the right has images which they spin to
>>>>> scare the
>>>>> > hell out of paranoid suburbanites...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > It looks like the plan backfired, and an innocent woman was killed
>>>>> > protesting, and others injured by some kamikaze white nationalist
>>>>> from Ohio.
>>>>> > But I'm sure in the coming months or years, they will have their
>>>>> Horst
>>>>> > Wessel... and the Right will continue to use these assholes as blunt
>>>>> > instruments, just like the Weimar right did, thinking that they can
>>>>> control
>>>>> > them, until its too late...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> -
>>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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