Into the Abyss

[Ian Livingston]

David's response came tagged on my post, but I remain uncertain as to whom
he addressed. I responded aside that I do vote, and I'll tag with Gary as
I, too, am a Roosevelt Democrat.

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 8:28 PM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> David, what the fuck is up with these junior level, cracker barrel,
> lame ass "gotcha" questions in response to substantive, passionately
> stated posts?
>
> Does Gary VOTE, now, is what you're asking?
>
> "Yes, but do you vote", he asks, like we're a bunch of butt-scratching
> shit-heels.
>
> How about you, Dave? Do YOU vote? What the fuck does that even have to
> do with what he wrote?
>
> J
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 11:07 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes to all that. But do you vote? Any active political stuff? Anything
> more
> > than words?
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:37 PM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>             I wake early. Most days I’m up around 4 a.m. The air is
> fresh
> >> and cool in summer, there is little traffic on the roads, and even the
> >> animal world is relatively quiet during some phases of the moon. News
> >> doesn’t change much over the weekends because the people who write the
> news
> >> work Monday through Friday jobs, while those who make the news prosper
> by
> >> plotting their next image show during the news-quiet weekends. Anyway,
> those
> >> of us up at 4 a.m. on Sunday morning have better things to think about
> than
> >> what makes a splash in the cess-puddle of news.
> >>
> >>             I think about trauma and what makes a warrior culture, such
> as
> >> our own, tick. In other primitive cultures, the greatest warrior struts
> and
> >> vaunts his triumphs as the people adore him for his pride and ability.
> He
> >> has celebrity status and the lesser warriors try to emulate his
> behavior in
> >> anticipation that they, too, might become great warriors and prance
> before
> >> the adoring tribe. Such cultures celebrate the great warrior because he
> >> triumphs over lesser people. Yet, all the while, he is a great warrior
> only
> >> because his developmental trauma and ptsd make him hypervigilant and
> >> aggressive.
> >>
> >>             When I check the news, I see a primitive warrior culture
> with
> >> advanced technology, where even the weak warrior triumphs through his
> >> manipulation of the wares of sophisticated primitivism, and it makes me
> feel
> >> sick and weary. Our greatest potentials deliver our greatest ills.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 6:55 PM, gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I don't think anyone knows what the answer is... There was innocent
> blood
> >>> shed and people injured, the incoherence of the moment, and the battle
> for
> >>> hearts and minds latter, the mentally deranged and black hearts of the
> body
> >>> politic... Fortunately, I don't think this was a victory for the
> Nazis, but
> >>> they'll be back... In Boston, no less...
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:40 PM, jesse gooch <jlguuch at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I live in Charlottesville. I wasn’t there for the mess yesterday, but
> I
> >>>> was downtown this afternoon and it’s insane. There is a sniper posted
> across
> >>>> from city hall because of a press release that Richard Spencer wanted
> to
> >>>> give. He tried, but people just chanted the word “shame” over and
> over until
> >>>> he left. Also, the pavilion at the end of the outdoor mall is full of
> riot
> >>>> cops on standby, there are large, windowless DOC busses (usually used
> to
> >>>> transport inmates) parked in case they need to truck people off, and
> there
> >>>> are a lot of state police mean-mugging people and marching up and
> down the
> >>>> mall. They even cancelled the showing of Roman Holiday (obviously not
> that
> >>>> important, but still). One of my friends was nearly hit by that car
> and was,
> >>>> at 3 this afternoon, still visibly in shock.
> >>>>
> >>>> I’ve avoided this thing for a while. Partly because I don’t see the
> >>>> point in removing one statue of Robert E Lee from a town that is
> littered
> >>>> with monuments to slave owning politicians (not sure why they all get
> a pass
> >>>> and the guy that led armies to protect their interests needs to be
> removed),
> >>>> and partly because I’m on parole and don’t want to be sent back to
> prison
> >>>> for fighting with people over a statue that I don’t really think
> should be
> >>>> removed. After being down there and talking to some people that I
> know, I’m
> >>>> rethinking my lack of involvement. Sadly, in the end, the white
> supremacists
> >>>> were able to attract media attention that they absolutely love, and
> now
> >>>> there is a good reason for a heavier police presence. I’m not sure
> what the
> >>>> answer is.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Aug 13, 2017, at 5:22 PM, gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Terrorism is tool used by different ideologies. I agree there are big
> >>>> similarities between our home grown extremists and those from the
> Middle
> >>>> East. What is weirder now, at least in US, is instead of the
> paramilitary
> >>>> backwoods extremist, a la Timothy McVeigh, where most everyone was
> universal
> >>>> in condemnation, now from certain administration officials on down,
> you have
> >>>> silence. There is no vigorous condemnation or disavowal.
> >>>>
> >>>> This event seems more organized and more media based. These guys
> aren't
> >>>> desperate. They want images to illustrate the intolerance and
> violence of
> >>>> protesters. I don't think they wanted any suicide bombers, or
> drivers. They
> >>>> wanted a fight. Then, say no one was injured or hurt, we would be
> bombarded
> >>>> of images of protesters of the left attacking these doe eyed college
> >>>> republicans... And I don't think it's a coincidence that these
> "riots" are
> >>>> taking place in college campuses... The have been on the Right's
> target list
> >>>> for a long time...
> >>>>
> >>>> There is something weirder going on here in the US...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 4:55 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Umm, how does Alt-Reich murder by car differ from those recently also
> >>>>> murders by car by Muslims in Paris?
> >>>>> Nuance ain't necessary here.  White fear is just our US flavor.  They
> >>>>> are equally terrorists.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> These terrorists all fear extinction.  They know they are dying, and
> >>>>> that makes them frantic!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> David Morris
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:36 PM Mark Thibodeau <
> jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well, Drudge IS Jewish, after all. So there must be at least a tiny
> >>>>>> speck of consciousness about this kind of stuff... race memory, if
> you
> >>>>>> will. At least enough to give him a frisson of uncanny, generational
> >>>>>> recognition.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Re: the look and attire of the right-wing mob this time... on
> Twitter
> >>>>>> the self-described "scumbag left" (like the Chapo Trap House gang)
> are
> >>>>>> calling this "the Pussy Riot" and comedian Doug Stanhope has stepped
> >>>>>> up with a great solution for the next time there's a tiki
> >>>>>> torch-wielding bunch of Nazis marching through your town: water
> >>>>>> balloons filled with gasoline.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The footage of that Nazi plowing through the crowd of peaceful
> >>>>>> protesters is harrowing and disgusting in its blatant, brazen
> >>>>>> cowardice.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But I have to agree with you, Gary. Positive (by which I mean
> >>>>>> negative) reactions to this affront set aside for the moment, I do
> >>>>>> believe that the waters of the Rubicon are lapping at our collective
> >>>>>> toes. It's like the Powers That Be (or, in this case, the rogue Deep
> >>>>>> State faction that I've been calling the New Fascist International)
> >>>>>> have perfected some new form of brainwashing - a technique that
> leaves
> >>>>>> the subject/victim's mind not only altered, but booby-trapped
> against
> >>>>>> any and all attempts at reasoning with it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Real journalism is "Fake News". Lies in the service of the Far Right
> >>>>>> agenda are Truth. BLM = KKK. Immigration = White Genocide.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Booby-trapped brains. Impervious to reason, logic, or empirical
> >>>>>> evidence that contradicts their erroneous beliefs. And with every
> >>>>>> passing day, everywhere you look, there's more of these fuckers. For
> >>>>>> fuck's sake, they're working in the WHITE HOUSE.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We are so royally screwed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jerky
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 4:02 PM, gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> > I don't know about the rest of the list but I've been unnaturally
> >>>>>> > disturbed
> >>>>>> > about the events of Charlottesville. As an American, I suppose I
> >>>>>> > should be
> >>>>>> > more cynical, and actually come to expect this sort of violence,
> but
> >>>>>> > there
> >>>>>> > is something off. Looking at the pictures, these Unite the Right
> >>>>>> > guys look
> >>>>>> > pretty unremarkable, like VCR repairman,not what I'd associate
> with
> >>>>>> > storm-trooper, AKA Puck Beaverton, the resemble Arendt's depiction
> >>>>>> > of
> >>>>>> > Eichmann, not paramilitary types, which I've come to expect, but
> its
> >>>>>> > nonetheless remarkable in 2017, that the "Blood and Soil" movement
> >>>>>> > nonsense
> >>>>>> > feels it can make a big PR-push into the mainstream.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > I found the President's silence to be remarkable, and David Duke's
> >>>>>> > tweet,
> >>>>>> > and this all goes back to that NRA video Jerky posted a while
> back,
> >>>>>> > a
> >>>>>> > campaign is afoot to provoke and demonize the left, and that's
> what
> >>>>>> > these
> >>>>>> > Alt-Right Nazis do, then the right has images which they spin to
> >>>>>> > scare the
> >>>>>> > hell out of paranoid suburbanites...
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > It looks like the plan backfired, and an innocent woman was killed
> >>>>>> > protesting, and others injured by some kamikaze white nationalist
> >>>>>> > from Ohio.
> >>>>>> > But I'm sure in the coming months or years, they will have their
> >>>>>> > Horst
> >>>>>> > Wessel... and the Right will continue to use these assholes as
> blunt
> >>>>>> > instruments, just like the Weimar right did, thinking that they
> can
> >>>>>> > control
> >>>>>> > them, until its too late...
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> -
> >>>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
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