Into the Abyss

[Mark Kohut]

To Joseph's sense of this in history. See also Democracy in Chains, new
book, for deep relevance.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/13/americ
a-white-supremacy-hooked-drug-charlottesville-virginia



On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> I am not at all persuaded these alt right ideas ever receded very much or
> that they are only present when they take on the most blatant expressions
> of racism and celebration of international aggression. They have always had
> major voices in US mainstream politics from
> Mcnamara to Kissinger, from Clintonian economics to Friedman.
>
> I believe most of US history has been steeped in this same aggression and
> racism and post WW2 is not the exception but simply a time when these
> forces were more expertly disguised because they were overseas or otherwise
> made invisible( poor black areas becoming dumping grounds for toxics, stop
> and frisk). The only reprieve and change of direction with any lasting
> impact was FDR era socialism. The democrats have slowly but surely betrayed
> the best of those reforms while allowing a token inclusion of Black
> americans. For many individual americans of color this has been a dramatic
> positive thing, but statistically the problems remain as severe in
> Democratic regions as in Republican ones. Clinton’s policies of large scale
> incarceration as nasty in its long term effects as Bush era policies.
> Meanwhle the growth of international militarism at huge taxpayer expense
> has been consistently supported by both parties and most Media and is
> profoundly racist.
>
> Bernie showed there can be another voice with broad public appeal but the
> media clearly saw that as a threat.
>
> What I am saying is that the answer is not just a rejection of the
> undiluted fascism by imperial tweet, but the creation of a new body of
> values and practical solutions that look toward the end of hegemonic
> imperialism, and the beginning of  sustainable local economies and
> politics. To give up on big ideas at this time seems wrong-headed to me.
>
>
>
> > On Aug 13, 2017, at 4:35 PM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well, Drudge IS Jewish, after all. So theee must be at least a tiny
> > speck of consciousness about this kind of stuff... race memory, if you
> > will. At least enough to give him a frisson of uncanny, generational
> > recognition.
> >
> > Re: the look and attire of the right-wing mob this time... on Twitter
> > the self-described "scumbag left" (like the Chapo Trap House gang) are
> > calling this "the Pussy Riot" and comedian Doug Stanhope has stepped
> > up with a great solution for the next time there's a tiki
> > torch-wielding bunch of Nazis marching through your town: water
> > balloons filled with gasoline.
> >
> > The footage of that Nazi plowing through the crowd of peaceful
> > protesters is harrowing and disgusting in its blatant, brazen
> > cowardice.
> >
> > But I have to agree with you, Gary. Positive (by which I mean
> > negative) reactions to this affront set aside for the moment, I do
> > believe that the waters of the Rubicon are lapping at our collective
> > toes. It's like the Powers That Be (or, in this case, the rogue Deep
> > State faction that I've been calling the New Fascist International)
> > have perfected some new form of brainwashing - a technique that leaves
> > the subject/victim's mind not only altered, but booby-trapped against
> > any and all attempts at reasoning with it.
> >
> > Real journalism is "Fake News". Lies in the service of the Far Right
> > agenda are Truth. BLM = KKK. Immigration = White Genocide.
> >
> > Booby-trapped brains. Impervious to reason, logic, or empirical
> > evidence that contradicts their erroneous beliefs. And with every
> > passing day, everywhere you look, there's more of these fuckers. For
> > fuck's sake, they're working in the WHITE HOUSE.
> >
> > We are so royally screwed.
> >
> > Jerky
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 4:02 PM, gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I don't know about the rest of the list but I've been unnaturally
> disturbed
> >> about the events of Charlottesville. As an American, I suppose I should
> be
> >> more cynical, and actually come to expect this sort of violence, but
> there
> >> is something off. Looking at the pictures, these Unite the Right guys
> look
> >> pretty unremarkable, like VCR repairman,not what I'd associate with
> >> storm-trooper, AKA Puck Beaverton, the resemble Arendt's depiction of
> >> Eichmann, not paramilitary types, which I've come to expect, but its
> >> nonetheless remarkable in 2017, that the "Blood and Soil" movement
> nonsense
> >> feels it can make a big PR-push into the mainstream.
> >>
> >> I found the President's silence to be remarkable, and David Duke's
> tweet,
> >> and this all goes back to that NRA video Jerky posted a while back, a
> >> campaign is afoot to provoke and demonize the left, and that's what
> these
> >> Alt-Right Nazis do, then the right has images which they spin to scare
> the
> >> hell out of paranoid suburbanites...
> >>
> >> It looks like the plan backfired, and an innocent woman was killed
> >> protesting, and others injured by some kamikaze white nationalist from
> Ohio.
> >> But I'm sure in the coming months or years, they will have their Horst
> >> Wessel... and the Right will continue to use these assholes as blunt
> >> instruments, just like the Weimar right did, thinking that they can
> control
> >> them, until its too late...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > -
> > Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>
> -
> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://waste.org/pipermail/pynchon-l/attachments/20170815/f7836a06/attachment.html>