Katje's peer

Wed Jan 4 04:13:00 CST 2017

If I were that one sentence book seller, i'da said, GR is about a guy trying to Fuck the War. 

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> On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:46 AM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That, Mark, was my1st thought, too.
> 
> 2017-01-04 1:17 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
>> Sure that Prof wan't talking about CATCH-22? A book which influenced GR so could also apply 
>> To GR, of course, but it seems less contained in that simplification. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 6:45 PM, Chase Carnot <chase.carnot at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gottfried plays Hansel to Katje's Gretel. Amiright?
>>> 
>>> Interestingly, the reason I first picked up Gravity's Rainbow has something to do with misremembering. About nine years ago, a college professor gave my class a one-sentence synopsis of the book: a man discovers that World War II is a conspiracy to kill him. I would have to say the professor misremembered the book but it does capture the scope of the story and the paranoia. I purchased the book very shortly thereafter. The real story of an American GI whose erection is apparently quantum entangled with German rockets was even more fascinating. And, hey, maybe I don't have the book quite right. I haven't read it since the first go-round. I'm listening to the audiobook now in preparation for a more involved rereading.
>>> 
>>> (Also, I just joined the listserv. Let me know if I replied wrong or my etiquette is wanting.)
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 3, 2017 6:09 PM, "John Bailey" <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> There's a fun parascience phenomenon called The Mandela Effect in
>>>> which sizeable groups of people remember some historical fact firmly
>>>> and conclusively one way even though they're wrong - ie a lot of
>>>> people distinctly recall the Nelson Mandela died during the 80s, even
>>>> though that's manifestly untrue. A lot remember the kids book The
>>>> Berenstein Bears being spelled The Berenstain Bears. Heaps of other
>>>> examples. (My favourite is the comedian Sinbad playing a genie in the
>>>> movie Shazam, which never happened although I kind of remember it).
>>>> Anyway, as pointless as the concept is, I'm sure there are plenty of
>>>> examples of people misremembering Pynchon, perhaps more than almost
>>>> any other writer. I have crystal images of scenes from his works that
>>>> upon re-reading never existed. Just recently we talked here about the
>>>> M&D scene in which Mason heatedly confronts the slave-driver, which
>>>> doesn't actually happen in the book, yeah?
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > What is the usual Western rationality?
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:41 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Up to you, of course.  But when you say things like "The novel is too
>>>> >> deconstructive for the usual Western rationality,"  you should expect some
>>>> >> blow-back, mostly because it is flat wrong.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> David Morris
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Didn't know amateur discussion was prohibited here. I'll go back to my
>>>> >>> lurker status.
>>>> >>> About being silly, sometimes I forget that most people avoid being
>>>> >>> earnest if it's not masked in irony, sarcasm, etc.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 2017-01-03 15:13 GMT-06:00 Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I considered that, but thought my answer could use some explication...or
>>>> >>>> maybe I just don't when to shut up!
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:10 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Just in case you misunderstood, I was asking Bruno, not you, Keith.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Thank you!
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Ok, here's another answer. Most, possibly all, of the people who come
>>>> >>>>>> here, and have been here for a while, are here because we're big fans of
>>>> >>>>>> Pynchon's work. That means we've all put a lot of time into reading and
>>>> >>>>>> re-reading and discussing his work. Plenty of people here are ready at any
>>>> >>>>>> time to jump into discussions of meaning and interpretation, e.g. all of the
>>>> >>>>>> supportive response to Mike Jing's translation efforts.
>>>> >>>>>> Serious questions always, or usually, anyway, receive serious
>>>> >>>>>> responses. On the other hand, questions that have to do with details that
>>>> >>>>>> can, and only in my humble opinion, should, be discovered by a serious
>>>> >>>>>> reading of the text, are likely to be met with silly answers, or, as would
>>>> >>>>>> have been better in the present case, on my part, no answer.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:15 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Are you trying to sound silly?  If so, good job!
>>>> >>>>>>> David Morris
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 3, 2017, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> It is very pleasing to fill gaps in memory with imagination!
>>>> >>>>>>>> But you are right, Keith. I have lots of reading to do, as always.
>>>> >>>>>>>> Don't we all?
>>>> >>>>>>>> Even so, someone said that GR should be read the way we listen to
>>>> >>>>>>>> jazz. Maybe words (/the music sheet) aren't that important as the soul and
>>>> >>>>>>>> abstract meaning (/the phenomenology of music). Our abstract concept of
>>>> >>>>>>>> Katje may be more important than the referential details. How do you feel
>>>> >>>>>>>> about her? I suspect that, regarding GR, if we don't listen to what we feel,
>>>> >>>>>>>> the whole novel implodes (like jazz!): nothing narrated is trustworthy, is
>>>> >>>>>>>> it? Like the old hippie said: "I don't have words. I have a soul."
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Katje is a spy? She works for whom? Us or Them?...
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> 2017-01-03 11:21 GMT-06:00 David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yeah,  I don't remember things the way Bruno tells them...
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> David Morris
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You have some reading to do.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Www.innergroovemusic.com
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Except that Katjer worked for the Germans, didn't she? My memory
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> fails me---I remember one of her first episodes depicting a threesome with
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Blicero and Enzian, at the V2 shack, where they all lived like rats. She was
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> then sent by Bliss to London, to spy on the White Visitation.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Btw, what is the relation between Pirate Prentice, Katje, and
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Slothrop?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Happy new year to you all!
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bruno
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2017-01-02 16:53 GMT-06:00 Bob Berg <robertberg5125 at comcast.net>:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/teenager-nazi-armed-resistance-netherlands-876?utm_source=dmfb
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
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