"The rent's too high"

[David Morris]

I like the idea of dance as a basis for society, but I think it is really
much more basic: birth.  Even today control of generation is hotly
contested.  Matriarchal societies preceded modern patriarchy.  Maybe we are
moving toward a Nuetriarchy?  But something will always be the rule.

David Morris

On Saturday, January 7, 2017, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> In fact, I just read a paper/article by the late great historian of
> civilizations Wm McNeill who says dance seems to be a necessary
> ingredient of civilizations! along with discovering fire...
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mark.kohut at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Also, all civilizations are also built by cooperation. Anarchically to
>> start, usually.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:38 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','fqmorris at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Didn't Nietzsche say something like all civilization is built on
>>> cruelty?  But what's the alternative?
>>>
>>> David Morris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 7, 2017, Allan Balliett <allan.balliett at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','allan.balliett at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I didn't see this mentioned here so I'll insert it.
>>>>
>>>> Property taxes are another form of rent. Even when the property is
>>>> owned 'free and clear' and the landlord or banker is vanquished, property
>>>> taxes come due regularly with an unsentimental threat to pay or face
>>>> confiscation.
>>>>
>>>> I digress...
>>>>
>>>> I used to spend a lot of time  checking out "homesteader" holdings when
>>>> I was younger. I was always impressed by how thoroughly they were reducing
>>>> the actual cash needed for survival. Most back-to-the-landers (better
>>>> description) were well aware that they had to pull together enough cash
>>>> each year to pay their taxes or they'd lose their holdings. Usually this
>>>> meant some sort of  off-the-land seasonal employment (fruit picking or
>>>> Christmas retail) but often it meant planting fine lumber trees which would
>>>>  be sold off to lumber companies a tree at a time to make ends meet when
>>>> the land holder got too old or too crotchety to bring in the cash. The new
>>>> plagues of boring beetles in the US must be upsetting a lot of
>>>> best-laid-plans coast-to-coast nowadays.(Didja know that when I started
>>>> non-toxic farming 30 years ago that there were locust fence posts in some
>>>> fence lines that had been standing for nearly a hundred
>>>> years?Traditionally, locust was so innately rot-proof that it outlasted
>>>> other hardwood fence posts at a ratio of about 4 to 1 (If your posts were
>>>> oak you'd replace them 4 times before you would have had to replace a
>>>> locust post.) Now, thanks to chaos in the natural order (here in WV most
>>>> likely caused by precipitation of toxic discharges of smoke stacks
>>>> somewhere in the mid-West acidifying the soils enough to disrupt the
>>>> primordial soil foodweb even on 'virgin soils' enough that entropy of a
>>>> system that had maintained itself through millennia ensued) In the past
>>>> dozen years more and more locusts are infected with a 'heartwood fungus'
>>>> that causes the locust to produce a wood that is essentially not rot
>>>> resistant at all and certainly doesn't hold in the soil any longer than a
>>>> good oak post.
>>>>
>>>> -Allan in WV
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Except for yours which is being raised.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Mark Thibodeau <
>>>>> jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Every time I see this goddamn discussion thread re-appear in my
>>>>> inbox,
>>>>> >> I get nervous all over again.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Jeez with the RENT crap already!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ;-)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> YOPJ
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 6:35 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> > Or even, thinking of the lifelong power/ domination theme, all
>>>>> about "
>>>>> >> > structured subjugation", a phrase I like learned in an essay on
>>>>> >> > globalization, which is not, or not just, " everything solid
>>>>> melting into
>>>>> >> > air" these days, something Pynchon also knew in his (only)
>>>>> pre-modernity
>>>>> >> > novel, Mason& Dixon.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Sent from my iPad
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> On Jan 7, 2017, at 1:33 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Isn’t the relationship of landlord to renter a rather obvious
>>>>> mirror of
>>>>> >> >> the more universal Pyncon theme of colonizer and colonized?
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> Can the relationship between renters and landlords be
>>>>> extrapolated
>>>>> >> >>> into a broader existential dynamic? It's worth a thought.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Chase Carnot <
>>>>> chase.carnot at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>>> "[...] Crocker Fenway chuckled without mirth. ‘A bit late for
>>>>> that,
>>>>> >> >>>> Mr.
>>>>> >> >>>> Sportello. People like you lose all claim to respect the first
>>>>> time
>>>>> >> >>>> they pay
>>>>> >> >>>> anybody rent.’"
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> When I saw PT Anderson's IV, this line jumped at me for the
>>>>> first
>>>>> >> >>>> time. In
>>>>> >> >>>> the novel, it must have just washed over me. Anyway, I've been
>>>>> >> >>>> thinking
>>>>> >> >>>> about diving back into the novel sometime soon with an eye
>>>>> toward
>>>>> >> >>>> rent as a
>>>>> >> >>>> central theme. I felt vindicated when a reading app I use
>>>>> cropped the
>>>>> >> >>>> IV
>>>>> >> >>>> 'Last Supper' poster... it left the center...
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> https://goo.gl/photos/zaJops8hNHUrju2u6
>>>>> >> >>> -
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