Russia hacked US shit-storm dying fast death, real SS on the way.

[Ray Easton]

Trump would not have won were it not for X.
There are many values of X for which this statement is true.  The choice of a value for X tells us nothing about reality, only about the politics of the chooser.
Is "Russian hacking" a possible value? Perhaps.  But the assumption that the only reason for Americans to be outraged by Russia at this moment is that "Russian hacking" is the reason Trump won seems ludicrous to me.  *Ludicrous*
Believe whatever nonsense you want about why Trump won -- which really simply tells us what politics you want to peddle now.   But how is that -- whatever it is -- relevant to the question of whether Russia has a bought and paid for agent in the oval office?
Ray
------ Original message------From: David MorrisDate: Wed, Jan 25, 2017 17:05To: Bruno Nogueira;Cc: Joseph Tracy;P-list List;Subject:Re: Russia hacked US shit-storm dying fast death, real SS on the way.
I don't blame Trump's win on Russia (I never said anything remotely like that), but they DID do their best to help him via hacking.  And Trump is clearly biased towards their interests, especially his forgiveness of the Ukraine invasion and his animosity toward NATO.  It is very possible that Trump's team colluded with Putin's thugs to try to influence the election.  If that happened it a more serious offense than Watergate ever came close to being.  All of these things a serious and valid concerns.
David Morris



On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com> wrote:
I've been reading your e-mails for the past few weeks and you've been actively trying to BLAME RUSSIA for the major political disaster of 2016. So, were the primaries also Russia's fault? My god, this is so stupid I can't carry on.
This media campaign will only result in more russiophobia: the Russian government is, as you said, a Thug Oligarchy, and as all governments, it's pretty fucked up. But why all the sudden focus by the media? Do you really think this is a genuine, unbiased, search for the truth? As we are all Pynchon readers here, the only answer I found for your activism was that you have a personal issue with Russia (like Rand had; that's why I insulted you FYI).We must be looking inside the US to see where things went wrong. Finding a scapegoat only helps further alienation.
2017-01-25 15:21 GMT-06:00 David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>:
Hi Bruno.  Fuck you for the Ayn Rand insult.
Not a corrupt oligarchy?  Journalist aren't killed?  Dissent is open?
I don't hate Russia.  Why would I?  Russia (until this election) has no effect on me.  I do feel sorry for Russians.
I suggest you read the NY Mag article I linked to earlier.  Do you think this depiction is misleading?
Russia: Life After Trusthttp://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/lessons-from-putins-russia-for-living-in-trumps-america.html

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com> wrote:
Oh boy, you really hate Russia huh. 21st century Ayn Rand. 
I suggest/insist you listen to the podcast with Prof. Sergei. He deconstructs many beliefs propagated by Western media:http://www.kcrw.com/news-culture/shows/scheer-intelligence/sergei-plekhanov-a-new-chapter-with-russia
2017-01-25 14:24 GMT-06:00 David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>:
"No Dave, this is not a fascist state under Putin; there is no widespread scapegoating of any group, no wars of aggression for new territory, regular elections where opposition parties get reasonable numbers, and criticism and debate is evident throughout Russia."
It is a Thug Oligarchy.  Dissent has been effective quashed, including any real opposition parties.  Putin is popular for some the same fantasy/resentment reasons Trump is popular (but Putin is much smarter). Plus, with no opposition Press, who are you going to believe, Putin, or your lying eyes.

"Whether Putin killed journalists is a legitimate question."
No shit  (but who cares? Right? it happens all the time, so let's not get all high-horse).  And then let's not forget this gem, a most effective deterrent because of its high profile gruesomeness (but who cares about spies, right?):
The murder of former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko was one of the most high-profile assassinations of the decade.
http://digg.com/2016/what-is-polonium

But I bet you think that was a false-flag play.
David Morris



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