Russia hacked US shit-storm dying fast death, real SS on the way.

[Joseph Tracy]

I agree that Trump is jealous of Putin style authoritarian power. Trump seems to me more dangerous because his army( if not his crowd size) is 4 times bigger, yuge actually,  and he is more overtly willing to use military power and torture and lying to get whatever he wants. Nobody knows yet what making America Great really means, but AMERICA FIRST was the slogan of Lindbergh and american fascists who admired Hiter. My guess is that there will be a minor purge in the intelligence agencies and the Trump regime will continue with its plans and the  political b.s. of kremlin hacked elections will fade while we watch most of the Trump cabinet approved and many Democrats voting strategically along with those choices.  The sanctions against Russia will probably be lifted by the bully in chief. 

 The Washington Post soiled its pants on the fake news story about a hacked power plant in Vermont and the loss of credibility is palpable. Unconfirmed rumors by democratic operatives about pee may make for fun on Saturday night live, but the story is descending into media babble.

My point about Putin’s popularity is not to say the resulting structure is true democracy.( For that I look to the countries of northern Europe where the balance of power seems far more democratic than the US or Russia.)  My point is far more modest. What seems obvious to me is that the Russian people feel Putin is their best option, that he is strong for their integrity as an  independent global power with legitimate interests, that he has reduced crime, that he is smart and capable, that he ended the Chechen war and terrorism in Russia, that prosperity and opportuniteis are growing and  that they are better off than they were under communism or as a western wannabe client state under Yeltsin. I do not believe they are all cowering before the new czar, and those who hate him can be quite open abut it as evidenced in statements of opposition leaders. 

 Trump. How quickly the apparatus of the US government, including infrastructure and actions of the Obama administration, can be tethered to a Putin stlye autocrat is deeply disturbing and seems to me to reveal the profound shift to the right since WW2 and Nixon in particular.  That analysis should hardly be shocking or illegitimate to Pynchon readers. Apparently, for as long as it lasts, it did happen here.


> On Jan 27, 2017, at 6:12 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Again, WTF? Are you serious?  None of these were voluntary gestures.  All of
>> these are why Russia is longing for the bad old days.  I can't believe you
>> list them as good behavior.
> 
> Is Russia, is Putin longing for the good or bad old days? This has
> been the narrative peddled by the Obama administration. Every chance
> they got, they peddled this idea.
> 
> But is there any truth in it? It' doesn't seem to make rational or
> logical sense.
> 
> But it does fit the propaganda in the US that continues to describe
> Russia and Putin with old Soviet propaganda narratives.
> 
> The Republicans have used this narrative too, usually against Obama,
> claiming that his policies, sanctions...have been too weak, but now
> that Obama is out, the Republicans are trying to change the narrative,
> while the Democrats and so-called liberals and progressives continue
> to recite Obama's narrative.
> 
> Obama's narrative often included a personal attack on Putin. In fact
> his last move against Russia, supported, though with only a critical
> (Obama's too slow and not tough enough) reluctance by the Repubs, has
> been characterized in the Press as a personal attack by the out going
> president on Putin.
> 
> The Republicans have spun the narrative that Obama's too late and too
> weak moves against Russia were not only person attacks on Putin, and
> demonstrative of Obama's weakness, but also an attack on the incoming
> US president, Trump.
> 
> What's going on?
> 
> The cyberattack questions muddy the waters further.
> 
> Maybe that's the point?
> 
> Meanwhile, back in Washington, the people are being fleeced by government again.
> 
> The retirement age seems headed up again.
> The wall will be paid for with taxes on working people. What
> combination of taxes is anybody's guess at this point, but the
> president, who ran and won on cutting taxes is now talking about
> raising them, on Mexican products and so on, and some Ryan scam to tax
> working people while reducing their benefits while cutting taxes  for
> the rich and the corporate elite.
> 
> Not that anyone should be surprised at what the Repubs will do given
> the chance, or that the President would use his celebrity to spin it
> all against immigrants and Mexico and China, but where does Russia fit
> into this new/old spin?
> 
> If you think Americans don't know or care about what actually happened
> in Ukraine, you are right.
> More importantly, Americans don't know or understand much of anything
> political these days. That hasn't stop the spin and the press from
> making a greater and greater maelstrom, sucking in every bit that the
> Internet can bite. The experts that some here have posted are helpful,
> that, because in the US experts are not given a voice or listened but
> are ridiculed.
> 
> America is an anti-intellectual nation. Has been long before Trump.
> 
> So many Americans continue to believe that US must be a powerful and
> violent Empire. It's like having a rich master.
> My master is richer and more powerful than yours. Look at the carnage
> of my master. No, not the factories in the rustbelt, in the world. And
> we hate the Soviets, ah, the Russians too.  Linda like that Putin
> though, on ahorse with no shirt, he looks like a leader. And Trump can
> see the power in Puntin's chest and he wants that too.
> 
> But what do we get?
> 
> Exon Mobil stock options?
> 
> Taxes and work and more work and taxes.
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