Hi Evrybahdy!

Tue Jun 6 19:23:50 CDT 2017

If I remember correctly, they were iridescent, sort of just barely within
the visual range, specters.  They were sent to haunt.

David Morris

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 6:42 PM Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Anything about the wild colors of the primates in the land of Viesshu
> (sorry for the spelling... or am I even remembering the name right?) under
> all that ice in Antarctica?
>
> Man, I gotta read V again soon.
>
> Jerky
>
> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
>> One personally testable effect of complementary colors that I find
>> intriguing has to do with afterimage.  If you stare at a  colored shape
>> against a neutral background ( white, grey, black)  for say 20 seconds and
>> then close your eyes, the color you see will shift to its complement:
>> red/magenta to green( red will produce a medium or  dark blue green,
>> magenta a pale aqua green) , blue to orange, yellow to purple. two
>> comlements always add up to 3 primaries: yellow ( first primary) plus
>> purple( red plus blue second 2 primaries) . This effect can be done quite
>> well with a computer screen in a darkish room with a simple paint program.
>> What exactly this means is debatable, but it seems like the mind provides
>> a complement to what is being observed or considered. Perhaps any
>> perception of anything is only possible in reference to the larger whole,
>> yin yang style. I assume that to see red requires the temporaray
>> suppression of the receptors for blues and yellows that make green, a
>> suppression that is its own internal  shadow color which becomes internally
>> luminous when the eyes are closed.
>>    A fairly universal effect of psychoactive drugs is the perception of
>> the emanation of colors  and patterns from higher energy sources like
>> music, eyes, art, flowers fruit etc. It may be that the complementary
>> effects being produced by perceptions are no longer suppressed -   that
>> there is no longer any clear hierarchy of perception..   In my experience
>> magenta and green are particularly exaggerated in the plant world or in the
>> dark.
>> In Pynchon they seem to me  to have 2  or 3 effects; 1 as markers of a
>> mid zone between nonphysical and physical planes, or 2, simply a perception
>> of dissipating energy( entropy) seen as colored light. They can also mark
>> an acidic environment , danger, threat.
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 7:07 PM, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I like this theory. M&D is full of characters with names like Wicks
>> > and Tenebrae ('shadows') and Lomax, which I swear is something to do
>> > with light or electricity. And AtD virtually treats light as a
>> > character throughout the novel, beginning with the epigraph ("It's
>> > always night, or we wouldn't need light").
>> > I always approached the magenta/green combo as something to do with
>> > their complementarity, ie they're 'opposite' colours so they produce
>> > the greatest contrast possible to the human eye. You can get a sense
>> > of the effect just on the Wikipedia page for complementarity:
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complementary_colors
>> > It's close to an optical illusion, the effect the contrast has on the
>> > eye. Supposedly complementary colours cancel each other out and create
>> > white or black as a result but I don't really understand what that's
>> > all about.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 1:00 AM, da kid <peterock86 at live.com> wrote:
>> >> Cool thanks. Only skimmed the article so far but I like the idea of
>> >> purple/green indicating Slothrop is a projection. It agrees with my
>> vague
>> >> understanding of Pynchon's "hologram style characters" that his ex-gf
>> said
>> >> he was trying to create. I was wowed by that comment of hers when I
>> read it
>> >> on some obscure blog because previously I had been a fan of an essay
>> on M&D
>> >> comparing it's structure to a magic eye a.k.a. auto-stereogram.
>> >>
>> >> I'm currently finishing up ATD so there are two scenes that have stuck
>> with
>> >> me that I think have something to do with this. One is the scene where
>> the
>> >> Chums meet the Trespassers at Candlebrow U. where they dematerialize
>> and
>> >> reappear. At first they have a magenta and green edge to them and then
>> a
>> >> blue and orange tone (he's more specific of course).
>> >> The second is the scene when Kit is at the sanitorium after dodging
>> Foley at
>> >> Gottingen. This goofy scene features among other things a distracting
>> >> necktie in magenta and green that if look at right can show
>> entertaining
>> >> images. I'm personally of the opinion that this scene is one of a
>> handful in
>> >> ATD where Pynchon rolls out his old standby themes  from his other
>> books.
>> >> There's a football making a parabola I believe and the jelly doughnut
>> guy
>> >> who I suspect is the disguised  Eucharist - cannibalism question of
>> Rec'd
>> >> Cherrycoke's. Another big part of this scene is the "doctor" Dinkopf's
>> >> anti-Semitic hangups. He is a proto-Nazi who suspects everyone is
>> Jewish. To
>> >> me this sounds like Docs phone call to his Aunt in the  Inherent Vice
>> movie
>> >> (I haven't read that one) about I think Mickey Wolfman- "He's secretly
>> >> Jewish but thinks he's a Nazi". Dr. Hilarius too. I don't know if all
>> these
>> >> allusions are supposed to tie in a certain way or if it is some kind of
>> >> Pynchon montage.
>> >> I may be rambling too much here so basically magenta and green has
>> something
>> >> to do with holograms or 3d projections or perhaps television?
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 8:51:32 AM
>> >> To: da kid
>> >> Cc: Pynchon-l
>> >> Subject: Re: Hi Evrybahdy!
>> >>
>> >> Magenta & green, etc -- "Coloring Gravity's Rainbow", downloadable:
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://pynchonnotes.openlibhums.org/articles/abstract/10.16995/pn.374/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 3:49 PM, da kid <peterock86 at live.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi I've been reading the p-list archives for a little while now and
>> admire
>> >>> the ideas of alot of the people here. Entries by Andrew Dinn, John
>> Bailey,
>> >>> Doug Millison among many others are Imho far better than New Yorker
>> or NYT
>> >>> essays for understanding TRP's books. I have tried to talk about
>> Pynchon on
>> >>> Reddit but I rarely ever encounter anyone who really wants to dive
>> into the
>> >>> text. So, I am excited to hopefully discuss some of the theories and
>> whatnot
>> >>> that have been bugging me for awhile. Pynchon's ubiqui-themes like:
>> >>>
>> >>>   Ourobouros through the ring
>> >>>
>> >>> Magenta and green specifically and his hangup with particular shades
>> >>> pigments in general.
>> >>>
>> >>>  Holograms/Layers
>> >>>  His "cartoonish" characterization that Chrissie Wexler refers to in
>> >>> Lineland.
>> >>>
>> >>> Vibrating to stay invisible (CoC & Inconvenience, the revealing of
>> America
>> >>> in M&D)
>> >>>
>> >>>  The Eucharist
>> >>>   The Holy Ghost and the Pentecost
>> >>>
>> >>> as well as my pet theories about the Hairy Ball Theorem in M&D and
>> Donald
>> >>> Barthelme as Dixon. I could keep rambling on but I'll stop for now.
>> >>>
>> >>> Anyways, I hope to get to the bottom of all this malarkey and reveal
>> the
>> >>> authors perverse schemes once and for all...
>> >>>
>> >>> Pete
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
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