This is very much NOT NP. All P.

[Bruno]

I think she's down with GR because it's clearly a surrealist novel with an
unreliable narrator. Accusations of racism can be repelled with the
argument that it's ironic.

Except that one never knows for sure if the author is being ironic, for
social critique purposes---pure entertainment purposes are not tolerated
anymore---or blatantly racist (or sexist inter alia). The boundary is
aesthetic, in the end.

Ethics and aesthetics are one.” ― Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-
Philosophicus.

2017-11-13 15:03 GMT-06:00 Laura Kelber <laurakelber at gmail.com>:

> OK, Pinecone, I'll bite. Pynchon's treatment of the Herero massacre is
> very different in V. and GR, and I don't see much value in collapsing the
> two to make a point. Can you point to where in V. (Mondaugen's Story) any
> of the characters are erotically enjoying their destruction and
> subjugation?
>
> GR is a novel about, among other things, the psychosexual tensions of
> people living in the shadow (and foreshadowing) of The Bomb, and yes,
> racism, colonialism, mud, shit, color, death, and homoeroticism are all
> tossed into the mix, which is populated by Brigadier Pudding as much as
> half-Herero, half Russian Enzian. You seem to be proposing that commenting
> on racism is the same as being racist.
>
> Laura
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "the psychopathology or colonization"...
>>
>> how, psychically, the colonized can inevitably internalize the sickness
>> and sick pleasure of the colonizer...
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Atticus Pinecone <
>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't catch your meaning.
>>>
>>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think Ms d'Abbadie knows from thinkers like Fanon, Seghor and her own
>>> experience (somehow) of how the answers to this are answered:
>>> "He presents the Hereros as erotically enjoying their destruction &
>>> subjugation—and compares black skin and shit."
>>>
>>> For the above, see the below:
>>> "As an intellectual <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectualism>,
>>> Fanon was a political radical
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_radicalism>, Pan-Africanist
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Africanism>, and Marxist humanist
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist_humanism> concerned with the
>>> psychopathology <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathology> of
>>> colonization <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization>,[2]
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Fanon#cite_note-2> and the human,
>>> social, and cultural consequences of decolonization
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization>.[3]
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Fanon#cite_note-3>[4]
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Fanon#cite_note-4>[5]
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Fanon#cite_note-5> "
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Atticus Pinecone <
>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't see why Pynchon gets a "pass" on V. & GR.
>>>>
>>>> He presents the Hereros as erotically enjoying their destruction &
>>>> subjugation—and compares black skin and shit.
>>>>
>>>> Alexandra d'Abbadie is down with that? Or did she miss it?
>>>>
>>>> If you're subscribing to this style of thought, our good friend Tommy
>>>> not only doesn't get a pass, he's one of the worst, most disgusting
>>>> offenders.
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://electricliterature.com/thomas-pynchon-shows-us-how-w
>>>> hite-writers-can-avoid-appropriation-8902a5563a1c
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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